TOPIC: PhalloBoards should change its name to PMMABoards

i cant help but feel that nothing gets a shout in round here anymore unless its synthetic, the safe methods are discarded and more hardcore alternatives have taken its place because they're permanent or last longer.It seems to me that longevity has taken the pedestal over safety now, nobody knows how safe PMMA is long term, i personally wouldn't get it put in if i was given it for free. I mean there's people having to get it cut out, allergic reactions and clumping of the product, yet when this is an issue with other methods, they are pretty much written off by the whole community. Fat (not grafts) seems to be the most scruitinized and frowned upon, yet it seems to provide the most satisfactory results from what actual fat transfer patients have told me, and what i've read on this forum and beyond.i never came here for enlargement anyway, i stayed out of interest in the subject, but it seems to me like nobody wants to answer or help anymore unless its PMMA related topics, every thread and post is literally saturated with PMMA chat where its unwarranted (in FFT, HA, prp posts) and it gets tiresome, especially as only a small majority of men on here would actually take the plunge into something as permanent and unpredictable as that anyway.sorry for being pedantic but i just felt it needed to be said.

I get that impression too. I hope I am not thrown off this board for saying this but it seems like all PMMA procedures done esp by Dr C are always raves and everything else is pissed on. Now I have seen his results displayed on this site and there is no doubt they are quite good but what about the poor schmucks that have bad results ie fibrosis, Necrosis, lumps, malformations? They are probably too embarrassed and ashamed to say something. I have said it once if I have said it a thousand times: nobody bats 1.000. I have talked to docs who do the FFT and PMMA and told them they can't all be successes. They tell me they try to do as best they can and work with the patient. As long as none of them leave ur ass blowing in the wind I have no problem with that. One good guy on here told me two of his buddies had the FFT and r ecstatic with their results. If there's two successes there could be 10, 20, 30, 50 more. They just choose not to join and share their stories on this site. This site is great for sure but not every pe patient who exists is on it. I just don't think it should be dismissed out of hand for PMMA. Yes 10-20 years ago FFT produced bad results but things have changed and some of these docs are nailing it now. Again of course not all the time but they are getting a lot better. People dismiss prp but it is a good supplement to FFT and even in PMMA procedures it is used with good results. Plus I'm on the east coast and if something were to go wrong with PMMA it's a drag to fly all the way back to Mexico. At least if I choose FFT there are the few docs relatively nearby that I can follow up with. I'm not giving up on PMMA with Dr C or others I'm just saying we should all keep an open mind to all options. The more competition the better because the doctors want the business and they want to get it right. Again the work I have seen from Dr C and others look great and I am honestly envious of what I see. But I also think it is healthy to be cautious of synthetics and maybe less dismissive of the autologous fat option. I also want to say that I love this site and the info and insight I glean from it. I think we are all in that same insecure boat and it's great to c people bust out of it by getting procedures done. But I also feel for those guys who have had things done and it didn't work out. The bravery to share ur stories is really heartfelt. We all want the same thing in varying degrees of size and shape and we all want to be stronger and more confident. There's nothing wrong with that at all. I think results vary and we are all individuals with separate biochemistries, nutrition, and levels of fitness so whether we use synthetics or natural fillers things aren't always going to work out the way we hope. I just find it hard to believe that most PMMA procedures are a total success and most fits are a disaster. But bottom line for me is I always wish everyone nothing but the best and really appreciate all the great info on here. Really good people on here. I haven't chosen my path yet but without this site I wouldn't be able to find it and eventually walk down it.

If your going to take all these procedures at face value rather why on earth would you pick FFT over PLGA scaffolds?

Of course people are going to talk about what they've had the most success with. There's been PMMA cases with issues, but there's also been a lot of successes. Of course we don't know the long term effects, but isn't that the whole point of keeping the forum updated with everyone's progress?

I think people are pretty receiptive to safer ideas. When I joined years and years ago, no one was talking about these safer, temporary fillers, but now we have lots more data on those. If that information was available years ago when I joined I might've gone that route, but we had the most data on PMMA at the time.

I also feel like the issues that you guys are addressing are being blown out of proportion. Yes people have definitely had issues, but a lot can be traced back to one doctor specifically. And a lot of them have been reversible (thank goodness).

Wannabhung says that people who have had issues may be unlikely to post due to embarrassment. It's usually quite the opposite, no? The more issues you have, the more likely you're to be vocal about your dissatisfaction. It's more likely that when people get a procedure done, if they're satisfied, would step away from the forum.

"Of course we don't know the long term effects, but isn't that the whole point of keeping the forum updated with everyone's progress?"that's lamb to the slaughter mentality there, so you're going to wait till someones Dick gets royally fucked up before choosing another path? rediculous, especially as people considering safer options are almost always encouraged to take the riskier procedures because of cost and longevity

Reklaw wrote: If your going to take all these procedures at face value rather why on earth would you pick FFT over PLGA scaffolds?

Yeah I have heard of that. Never researched it. I'll check it out. I always got sidetracked with the other options. Is there a good thread on here? Thanks.

Tropical1994 wrote: "Of course we don't know the long term effects, but isn't that the whole point of keeping the forum updated with everyone's progress?"that's lamb to the slaughter mentality there, so you're going to wait till someones Dick gets royally fucked up before choosing another path? rediculous, especially as people considering safer options are almost always encouraged to take the riskier procedures because of cost and longevity

But that's the thing... who is pushing people to get PMMA? Please provide sources where this is actually happening. Maybe things have changed, but as far as I remember it's always been, "here are some logs of users who have had this procedure, here are some complications we have seen, now make your own informed decision." I haven't seen anyone being "encouraged" to take these riskier procedures. If anything I've seen people recommending HA because it is temporary and reversible.

wannabhung45 wrote:
Yeah I have heard of that. Never researched it. I'll check it out. I always got sidetracked with the other options. Is there a good thread on here? Thanks.

I wouldn't bother, plga is by far the best procedure 'on paper' it's theoretically perfect but unfortunately it just doesn't work, i was just using it as an example of why it's a bad idea to pick a procedure based on how it's presented on the surgeons website and because it's 'natural' rather than going with the options that have been proven to work on here.

they are, because the gatekeepers here shit on anything besides it, or people just flat out wont answer your questions. HA is just as bad, you recommend that and there will be people bashing it for its cost and anecdotal failures, so then whats the next step, PMMA or Ellanse almost everytime which is sunshine and rainbows on the face of this forum until you search deeper, because some of the people in here are so desperate that they put cost and permanency before the health of their own Dick.that's just what i see anyway, if i was some mad conspirator i'd think PhalloBoards was a brainchild of Dr. Cs PR office, obviously it isnt, but its easy for someone to feel that way.

Every option out there is shit just now. Risks are huge.

Dr C is, however, by far and away the least worst of the bunch.

I'm actually at the stage where even if he is sponsoring things behind the scenes, that's probably not a bad thing. If it results in guys going to the best, someone that is streets ahead of the rest....then good.

To be fair, you shouldn't even be thinking about any of this unless you really are desperate. If you go for it without desperation involved then you are spectacularly stupid.


At what point is PMMA sunshine and rainbows! Have you read my log!

Also, at 7.3 x 5.5, don't touch your Dick you lucky bastard!

Tropical1994 wrote: they are, because the gatekeepers here shit on anything besides it, or people just flat out wont answer your questions. HA is just as bad, you recommend that and there will be people bashing it for its cost and anecdotal failures, so then whats the next step, PMMA or Ellanse almost everytime which is sunshine and rainbows on the face of this forum until you search deeper, because some of the people in here are so desperate that they put cost and permanency before the health of their own Dick.that's just what i see anyway, if i was some mad conspirator i'd think PhalloBoards was a brainchild of Dr. Cs PR office, obviously it isnt, but its easy for someone to feel that way.

Have something different then, maybe you'll discover some new superior technique, that's what we want.

For me,personally,this turned out to be a quest for a procedure that would give me the most satisfactory results,and one that won't be too expensive. But like many guys here,before I discovered this forum and began to read and research thoroughly, I naively believed that penis could be easily lengthened,only thing that is preventing one to do it is money. And because we know that women do breast implants, my reasoning behind it was always like " yeah,anything these days can be done,there is all kinds of crazy docs,its all the same thing,penis,boobs,anything can be enhanced ,you just got to pay crazy money for it".. And while to some degree that might be the case,to an ignorant mind that's exactly why Elist's rather simple cylindrical implant seemed so flawless and thus managed to trick so many people into believing that it would behave same as silicone implant in breast surgery..
So,I guess the main thing is to have realistic expectations,and aim not to gain huge Girth just for the sake of it,but rather gain smaller,reasonable Girth but with some aesthetics to it,and not to be easily detectable by females.
But most important thing of all is not to dream about having a porn sized penis,or indulging yourself in that stuff 24/7 ,porn nowadays is disgusting as fuck,and I'm no porn connoisseur,but it seems to me that everything points towards degrading and humiliating women..Long gone are the days when one would bust a nut on some vintage Siffredi tapes,now its all about choking,mouth pissing,foot into anus inserting and whatnot xD...

Tropical1994 wrote: they are, because the gatekeepers here shit on anything besides it, or people just flat out wont answer your questions. HA is just as bad, you recommend that and there will be people bashing it for its cost and anecdotal failures, so then whats the next step, PMMA or Ellanse almost everytime which is sunshine and rainbows on the face of this forum until you search deeper, because some of the people in here are so desperate that they put cost and permanency before the health of their own Dick.that's just what i see anyway, if i was some mad conspirator i'd think PhalloBoards was a brainchild of Dr. Cs PR office, obviously it isnt, but its easy for someone to feel that way.

Honestly I'm not sure what you're getting at. I've been a big proponent of the 'if your Dick is remotely average DO NOTHING'. If I had your size I wouldn't have thought about PMMA or any surgery for one second. But I had issues with my Girth. It was something I wanted to change and PMMA had the highest success rates at the time so I went through with it. Do I regret it? Now that I'm married, I do worry that I could run into an issue 20 years down the road, but I made my decision and I have to live with it. That's why I think a temporary solution is a better idea. Unless of course there's something that has a 100% success rate which would never happen.

So yes I agree that if you have a somewhat average penis you should probably do nothing. But if you feel that you NEED to change it, then scour the forums, and make an educated decision. For me, at the time, most people were finding success with PMMA. In 5 years it could be something else, but we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

Hey Tropical,
i understand your concerns, but i think your posts are exaggerated.
If you take a look around, not only PMMA is discussed to be honest, let alone it's not put on a pedestal.
I've been around on this forum for 3+ years and i can tell you that the community is pretty mature (S.O., moderator team and users) and i've always seen a very conservative approach to the matter: whatever decision you make, deeply inform yourself first(except for proved bad procedures, like E. implant). I've seen people (specially our beloved Hoddle) discouraging impulsive or not necessary decision to go through surgeries, but at the same time supporting the people who decided to take the plunge, through their journey (including sending supplies and phone calls to people who have gone through very bad times after PE procedures).
I've never seen people over-enthusiastically recommend this or that procedure (except obvious shills of course).

About PMMA.
I think it's mostly discussed because:
a) Time.
When it came out it was probably the best option and currently it's still one of the best when done by expert surgeon (namely dr.C).
It's not like HA, Ellanse or other fillers were out in 2010, or at least not used for PE. Most of the other options were outdated inherited from the 90's.
I've read thousands of pages on this forum through the years, and it seems to me that in the last 2 years Dr.C. technique has improved to a level where i can't remember bad outcomes or severe collateral effects. That's good for who wants to go that route.
Also, i don't know if you are born in 1994 and thus quite young, but keep in mind that not all the people here are in their 20s and it's not like they can wait the next best best option.

b) Cost.
Yeah, it's not elegant talking about money, but let's be real , not everyone can afford to put 8-9k $ in his penis every 2 years.

c) Conveniency.
The permanent part. Having to deal with dissolving products isn't doable for quite some people it seems (and i agree with them). Because you'll probably keep obsessing about your penis and having to making excuses with partners (if they don't know about it).
As some people have pointed out already, you probably don't get the full picture since you have an above average penis and , as you said, don't want it to be bigger.
Penis dimension can become an obsessive thought, be it for dismorphobia or having an actual below average penis. I've read multiple times people reporting that their life have overall improved after they have enlarged their penis and got over the obsession. Sure you can find it silly, but that's a thing.



About other options.
To be honest i think that within 5 years, stimulatory fillers like Ellanse will take the scepter, cause they seems to have the best qualities of both worlds:
1) filler itself is temporary
2) stimulates neocollagen production, so you got permanent gains of your own tissue.
I'm oriented to get something like that in the future, mean while still studying/reading updates.


Again, the most important part is to make informed decisions. This forum give some means to do that.

Gg82, you did a better job conveying what I wanted to.For the most part, I don't think anyone here is glamorizing PMMA. I mean - there's a stickied thread about the risk and complications of PMMA. Anyone who spends more an hour here will be able to dig in to the possible issues of PMMA. Like I said, as time goes on we'll have new procedures that will be discussed, but as of right now we're working with the information we have.