TOPIC: Considering Ellanse w/ AvantiDerma

I've been on/off browsing these boards for many years now and finally am considering to go forward.

I'm considering Ellanse @ AvantiDerma and will have consultation next week.

FG: 4.25
FL: 3.75
EG: 4.75
EL: 6.25

More to come...
ZCK

Nice! Same here. I also have very similar stats to you (except your Flaccid is way bigger than mine).

I'm probably getting my fillers done with them sometime in December.

Updates:
1) I'm considering the webbing procedure as I believe it may apply to me. I'll try and see if I can find more on the boards on that topic.
2) I considered the lengthening procedure but I heard that has a lot of negative feedback / trade-offs.
3) Got some feedback from female friends and was a little surprised.
I asked a few friends (female) what they thought and strangely they were recommending I not do anything. I was surprised as some have had boob jobs. I'm still likely to go forward just didn't anticipate a negative reaction to the thought. I in general consider myself average so there is plenty of room for enhancement without being problematic for women.

Girls are always going to recommend you not do anything. They’re usually against guys getting any sort of plastic surgery, and this includes for your Dick if it’s not a micro-penis. Unless it’s your significant other, I wouldn’t factor their opinions into your decision.

To piggy back on this, I don't think women dwell on our sizes the way we dwell on their breast & ass sizes/shapes. Sex is far more multidimensional for them (e.g. stamina, Erection quality, overall attraction, and emotional connection). Sure, some may like the appearance of a larger-than-average-penis, but they aren't dwelling about it in their minds Hanging up large Cock posters in their room. Short of being an authentic size queen, I can see why you'd get those responses from women; they're probably seeing it as a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" situation.

Update

Had my consultation with Dr. Casavantes at AvantiDerma - was easy to talk to and we discussed pros/cons risks/rewards of procedures. Went through photos and talked through a few minor things. I was listed as an ideal candidate. I never felt rushed.

Probably was an easier conversation because I was considering Ellanse over PMMA (non-permanent) and because I wasn't going for larger gains. My goal is to get the procedure once, stay locally for the week and see if I need a touch-up right away, and then go home happy. While realistically I'd love to go for a second session for even bigger gains, getting to 5.5" Girth is still quite good for many many women. Also, I'm about 0.5" thicker at the base, so that would put me at 6" at target at the base which is plenty. Any future sessions would probably make me feel a lot better mentally, but would likely be less practical. I hear stories from bigger guys on here so I could probably go bigger, but I'm thinking once is enough. I saw before and after for 3x users and honestly I don't think I'm long enough or naturally thick enough to support that kind of growth.

I'm feeling more confident about the procedure. I haven't scheduled anything yet but am thinking through my options.

I am opting out of the lengthening procedure (don't think it makes sense), although I have very high/tight ligaments so I'm wondering if I should do some basic stretching/traction to see if I can gain an Inch of length first. I tried out a greatly simplified form of a routine from another forum and noticed tremendous improvement in Flaccid stats (honestly just wet heat alone seems to increase Flaccid size for hours afterwards). Not any bigger just more relaxed Flaccid (non-retracted).

Wet heat applied Flaccid stats (no reason to think permanent):
FG: 4.5" (+0.25")
FL: 4.5" - 5.0" (+0.75" to +1.25")
Surprisingly makes things look a lot better from a small change.

While not directly related to the procedure, I thought relevant to consider/factor in if I eventually show before/after and my stats 'changed' from my starting post.

From extensive reading on this forum, anyone feel free to disagree, but I’d recommend not touching up that week unless for some reason shit looks really fucked up like it’s all in one area. But that’s rare. You should be able to see and massage it to the right spots. There are reasons guys keep up with the after care for a month or more. The filler can change with retraction. You’ll pay all this care that week and then get a touch up right before your fight? That’s if you’re flying and flying out soon after but if you live close enough to where you don’t have to fly then it doesn’t make sense to rush a touch up. Pressure in the cabin can effect things, could make swelling worse. People who get fillers are actually advised to not fly for two weeks. Obviously no one here stays two weeks but the point is flying right after the op isn’t ideal. You’ll still be early in the healing, and still probably swollen only to get poked again, prolonging and aggravating any inflammation and making it harder to see and feel your product from the first round.

Plus, after a week you will probably be relatively far from the final result. A lot can happen. I don’t think the touch up would prevent you wanting a future touch up. You should basically think of it as one round. And in that sense, you’ll probably be going beyond the suggested amount of 10-12cc because why get 10 and touch up with two? It Would be a waste of having to go back through the procedure. The more you go past 12 if you don’t have the right length the more risk you’re taking.

People say it here all the time. Don’t plan on just making one trip. Put in the time. That’s great your goal is to go home happy but the after care just started so I’m not sure it’s the right mindset. It sounds like you want to go home thinking you’ve won and that’s not the best approach to a cosmetic event that’s still evolving and morphing in your Dick. Just my thoughts as I fly there next week. This is from talking and reading here. I’ll know more in ten days what it’s actually like.

Hyperbol wrote: From extensive reading on this forum, anyone feel free to disagree, but I’d recommend not touching up that week unless for some reason shit looks really fucked up like it’s all in one area.

I disagree. They (Avanti Derma) are far more adept at spotting problem areas than a newly-injected patient who can't discern between the swelling and actual irregularities under the skin (don't forget, people's bruising & swelling will vary to your experience). Staying the extra few days (if possible) is the way to go imo.

Helpful to consider, doesn't hurt to stay a few extra, extra days....I wouldn't look forward to a flight feeling uncomfortable.

You think it’s better to get touched up that week instead of waiting for the Dick to heal?

Hyperbol wrote: You think it’s better to get touched up that week instead of waiting for the Dick to heal?

The follow-up days after a session isn't a "touch-up" in the same sense you think of when going for a 2nd round. Those follow-up appointments days after your first round are intended to be "corrective measures" IF necessary. There is a distinction.

I appreciate the concern. I think it comes down to, do I trust the doctor? AvantiDerma has been doing this awhile, and I've been reading the forums for awhile.

Yes, for PMMA they recommend assuming a 2nd touch-up session will be required; however, for Ellanse, it seems this isn't as common if I'm not going for extreme gains.

They didn't encourage me to stay. This came about when I asked if there was an advantage to sticking around a few extra days (no need to rush if it's a vacation anyway). At that point, Dr. C informed me if I stay longer, *and* if swelling goes down, they may be able to re-examine before flight home and see if any correction is needed (1-2 ml max). The doc also pointed out the first week of after care is extremely important, so it also is a chance to ensure I am doing this appropriately while I'm still in town.

I'm not trying to get a touch-up session, but it is nice to know that if swelling has gone down I can do in one trip. I understand not rushing though. I'll have to evaluate and listen to gut/and how it looks. Worst case scenario doc can evaluate and recommend 1-2 ml and I can always opt to come back later.

I appreciate the concern and looking out for me.

Well you're definitely in the right area to learn. I had 10ml of Ellanse injected June 24th and still think it's one of the best decisions of my life. One piece of advice I'll give you though I noticed you said your Erect Girth was 4.7 and that you were wanting to achieve 5.5 and you made it sound like you planned on just the 1 session. Just a word of caution that is a .8in increase in Girth it's definitely possible with 1 session. But don't be discouraged if you don't get the full .8 and end up with say .5 in increase. A .5 in increase is definitely substantial in regards to Girth. Follow the after care procedures I definitely agree that those are vital in helping everything settle. I started with about the same measurements as you and immediately after I was around 6 meg after swelling went down and everything has settled I'm around the 5.5 meg but after seeing what my Dick looked like at 6meg I'm definitely going back and with my stats being similar to yours prior I'll tell you I think you'll be surprised at your dicks ability to grow and maintain uniformity. I've no doubt that I can get a 2nd round and still have everything stay symmetrical. So who knows you might end up changing your mind.

Thanks, you're right!

I'm thicker at the base so I think I'll be OK even if mid-shaft I only get 0.5" instead of 0.8" and I recognize 0.8" is extremely aggressive for a single session. Then again, when I see the swelling I could get greedy.

I also recognize it is temporary - so when I say only going back one time, I'm sure I'd have to go back for a fill up periodically. I think of it like a car lease only a lot cheaper. If I only had to pay $x / month for next 10 years, would I? Then it becomes a little bit of an easier decision financially as I think I'll enjoy this more than a marginally better car or an extra couple hundred square feet in a home.

But you could be right, I could enjoy it, and potentially see a big difference in sex and be tempted for more.

I agree with you @zxck and have similar goals as you (I'm at 4.75" Girth right now and would love to be close to 6" one day). I calculated that I might spend around $50-$70,000 throughout my lifetime on keeping my Dick bigger through Ellanse. And that's with the assumption that no other product comes along that lasts longer, is safer, etc.

I think it's a worthy investment to keep us happy and thriving with a big Dick. I'm going to enjoy having that way more than I would a nicer car or slightly bigger home.