TOPIC: A Fascinating Alternative to Phalloplasty

Dthom wrote: I’m on month 8 .:

3.3 mm /month consistently . Stopped w/prp 2 months ago . No change in gain rate . So disasterous .

Just so I understand correctly, are you saying you have been gaining 3.3 millimeters per month (consistently) for 8 months? That would put you at 26.4 millimeters, which would be just over an Inch. That would be fantastic and in line with what the Protocol suggests, or am I misinterpreting your post? I'm also assuming you are discussing length(?).

Yes SO , but that is bpfsl . BPEL is about 60% of bpfsl

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In my case , perhaps I needed fewer p -shots which would also be great .

I’m amazed myself . I plan to wait until gains slow to do another p shot .

Dthom wrote: Yes SO , but that is bpfsl . BPEL is about 60% of bpfsl

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In my case , perhaps I needed fewer p -shots which would also be great .

I’m amazed myself . I plan to wait until gains slow to do another p shot .

I mean 60% of just over an Inch is still pretty modest, when you said "disastrous" I was confused, especially now that you say you're amazed, I'm afraid I'm lost in the context of your comments.

Despite the claims of 1" length and 0.5" Girth, anyone who is familiar with manual penis enlargement (PE) exercises knows that there will be variance based on each individual's unique anatomy (and responsiveness to the program). I went ahead with this Sponsorship under the premise that a custom tailored regimen by a Urologist who specializes in sexual medicine, incorporating medical-grade equipment and supplementation AND backed with some studies would maximize one's chances at manual PE. From what I've gathered (despite it not being the world's best sample size) is that it does indeed work, albeit with +/- variation among each participant (as should be expected).

That said, if tangible, measurable gains that approach the projected 1" x 0.5" gain in a 6-month ballpark, I'd say that's quite a positive feat. Heck, being a Grower, I would love to have an improved Flaccid hang of an Inch+, so in my personal opinion, while you may not have acquired the Protocol's 6-Month projection, you've absolutely made significant progress.

This is especially true given how elusive length can be in general. Ligamentolysis (the only lengthening procedure endorsed by the PhalloBoards) is still arguably hit-or-miss (short of any new innovations or modifications to the surgery), and still requires a post-op stretching regimen either way. It's as (if not more) costly than P-Long and is surgical (requiring incisions) in nature. I will say however, I wonder what Ligamentolysis + P-Long as the post-op regimen would yield. I may actually try this once I get my body fat % to a certain level (my fat pad stubbornly steals length, and I'm not obese), or at the very least, P-Long itself.

Thanks for updating the Community.

Hello Everyone, thank you for the interesting conversation topics.

I want to start with a comment on Ligamentolysis. I would strongly stand against this option. I have seen dozens of men over the years who were scarred for life by this procedure. As many of you know, half of the penis length is on the inside, and the scar tissue that develops on the dorsal mid-penis prevents that half of the penis from extending during an Erection. So the penis may look better in the locker room but it looks worse in the bedroom.

As for the benefits of PRP and how much the PRP adds to the protocol, I don't know. I did not have multiple arms in the P-Long study. I am not a large and well-funded academic institution and do not have the resources to do a multi-variable study on PE. And to be frank, I don't think any large academic institution has any plans for doing these studies either. The P-Long Protocol is a very specific protocol that is grounded in previous research and has very specific results. Variations of the protocol may give better or worse results. No one will know that unless they put in the time, funds, and effort to do the study like I have. There are thousands of papers looking at the utility and benefits of PRP, but if you want to discount the value of PRP in PE, I will not fault you. The P-Long study is the only study looking at the effect of PRP on PE, and it is not isolated as a single variable. The good thing is that there is no harm in using your platelets, so in the end, there is a potential benefit and no harm except for a single needle stick under ultrasound guidance (in my office) and the expense of the PRP.

Over time I am confident that more and more men will post about their experiences with P-Long, and I believe that many of them will be positive. Much of the outcome is determined by the consistency of pumping and traction and taking AFFIRM since the PRP injections are only once a month.

I have several men who have continued with the P-Long protocol after the initial 6 month period and they have continued to have 2-3% gains per month. I am looking forward to getting long-term feedback from my patients and my colleagues to continue to build experience and refine the protocol to optimize results for men. I also follow threads on PhalloBoard because many worthy ideas circulate amongst the participants.

Thank you all for your valuable feedback,

Judson Brandeis MD

This is early stage stuff . All I can say is that for me it’s 3.3MM /month during, and for 2 months after ending, P-long protocol .

Now my experiences and inferences/hypotheses


My inference is that the P-long protocol works and that is likely that PRP injections can be much reduced . That’s a sample if 1. There may be other PRP benefits (ED , etc ).

My Erect gains were 1.9 mm /month . Nowhere near the study results but still 2x the 12 mm per year anecdotally noted .

I’m sold . .

PRP seems to last 6-9 months for ED . I’m guessing that after a month or two ; once every 6 months works fine for lengthening — but Sample of 1 …. And minimal study .

When I stop gaining 3.3 mm /month , i will inform you .

update. gains slowed this month to maybe 1/2 of previous month. only me, but i'm going back to monthly prp.

Thanks for the update, Dthom. So your total Erect gains are 1.9mm * 6 months = 11.4mm or .44inch?

I got my first shot this week, will update my results in a month.

I track Flaccid stretched and occasionally go in a pump for Erect . My Flaccid stretched length went up 1.9cm and Erect went up 1cm .

Hi Dr. Brandeis @P-Long

I am on day 5 of the protocol. It has been a breeze so far. I am currently doing my morning session at 7:30AM, and the evening session at 9:30PM. I work from home and was considering adding a 3rd midday session at 2PM. Do you know of any guys that have added a midday session or otherwise have thoughts on it?

Work has been slow and other financial priorities have kept me from getting back on the bandwagon as quickly as I'd hoped. I am still keeping up with the exercises and seen some mild progress. I'm right at about 7in on the dot stretched right now. Still excited to see more progress and continue PRP as soon as funds allow.

Cialis **seems** to be helping me hang on to gains a bit easier than before. Much better vascularity in general.

I have done many years of PE already in my life, stretching and pumping. I guess there are not many gains left on the table for me to do Plong.
You mentioned Shockwave therapy in this post. Whats your take on it? Concentraded ones or widespread?

Phalback as I understand vibrates the penis while pumped , which creates very large incremental differential longitudinal stresses allowing for even faster growth . An Inch in one month for 20k . But the rapid growth seems to slow at about 2 months. Im guessing the early stuff is more concentrated newbie gains and that it is incrementally no better than plong after 90 days .

Im within a couple of mm of 10 inches bpfsl . Started at 8.8 in July of last year . Erect, about 9.0 started at 8.3. So in % terms , 13% and 8.5% . So Erect gains about 2/3 of bpfsl .
I think I’ve gained about .6 Flaccid , or about 1/2 of fsl gains . It is noticeable to women , but not significantly . Have just done pumping to enhance blood flow so no noticeable Girth gains . Goal is to make it more proportional length vs Girth .

Conventional PE yields about 1/2 Inch per year Erect after initial gains . So I’m 60% above that . I guess it could be that I’m longer to begin with , but that doesn’t seem to matter in the plong study .




Still 3.3 mm/month give or take . Plong works .

Dthom wrote: I track Flaccid stretched and occasionally go in a pump for Erect . My Flaccid stretched length went up 1.9cm and Erect went up 1cm .

Did you notice any increase in rigidity of erections?

Just wanted to update the thread with my plong experience. Got my first shot 5/26. Shot itself wasn't bad. I did 100% of the routine for the first month. I went from about 4 1/2" to 4 3/4" Girth when measuring in between pumping sessions. Length I think went up about 1/8". I didn't really measure length that much because the main goal is Girth. I was ecstatic with the results so far.

But then I started having some troubles in the final week before my 2nd shot. First I had some sort of ingrown hair or cyst form on my shaft and pumping was keeping it from going away. But I was too happy with the results so I kept on pumping. Then I developed some swollen vessel on the bottom right of my shaft going into my groin. It was real hard and thick and I could feel it going from the base almost to where my belt would be. Seems like a lymphatic issue. I figured I should stop pumping and let all that heal up. My Dr agreed, but he suggested I still come in for the 2nd shot and continue using the restorex. I did that, and a few weeks later after only using the restorex and no pumping, my Girth has gone back down to 4 1/2".

My two issues are healing up, but this whole experience has really taken the wind out of my sails. I'm probably not going to continue the pshots. I've already spent $3k, and would spend another $3k to finish them. If I continue to keep having these issues and not pump then it will be money wasted. And even if I did finish the protocol, who's to say that once I stop pumping it won't eventually fade away?

I think I'm going to continue with restorex because why not. That device is severely underrated in the PE world. With the makeup pad trick it is a very comfortable and quick to put on device. Once my other issues clear up I may try a DIY phalback pump/vibration combo.

On another note, it looks like Brandeis hasn't been on the board in 2 months. I get that he's probably busy, but disappointing to see that he has abandoned his thread. And whatever happened to the 5 guys that were doing this at cost to provide pics?

gwj420 wrote: Just wanted to update the thread with my plong experience. Got my first shot 5/26. Shot itself wasn't bad. I did 100% of the routine for the first month. I went from about 4 1/2" to 4 3/4" Girth when measuring in between pumping sessions. Length I think went up about 1/8". I didn't really measure length that much because the main goal is Girth. I was ecstatic with the results so far.

But then I started having some troubles in the final week before my 2nd shot. First I had some sort of ingrown hair or cyst form on my shaft and pumping was keeping it from going away. But I was too happy with the results so I kept on pumping. Then I developed some swollen vessel on the bottom right of my shaft going into my groin. It was real hard and thick and I could feel it going from the base almost to where my belt would be. Seems like a lymphatic issue. I figured I should stop pumping and let all that heal up. My Dr agreed, but he suggested I still come in for the 2nd shot and continue using the restorex. I did that, and a few weeks later after only using the restorex and no pumping, my Girth has gone back down to 4 1/2".

My two issues are healing up, but this whole experience has really taken the wind out of my sails. I'm probably not going to continue the pshots. I've already spent $3k, and would spend another $3k to finish them. If I continue to keep having these issues and not pump then it will be money wasted. And even if I did finish the protocol, who's to say that once I stop pumping it won't eventually fade away?

I think I'm going to continue with restorex because why not. That device is severely underrated in the PE world. With the makeup pad trick it is a very comfortable and quick to put on device. Once my other issues clear up I may try a DIY phalback pump/vibration combo.

On another note, it looks like Brandeis hasn't been on the board in 2 months. I get that he's probably busy, but disappointing to see that he has abandoned his thread. And whatever happened to the 5 guys that were doing this at cost to provide pics?

Sorry to hear about your unforeseen impediments, hard to calculate or evaluate how an intermittent application of the protocol may affect the program as a whole. If you did see initial gains, I would try and at least give the Protocol as fair a shot as possible, but your call ultimately.

To be fair, Dr. Brandeis has answered many questions in this thread, covering a lot of ground. Most of the recent posts as of late have been men exchanging dialog and info. If you tag him using the "@" symbol + P-Long, he'll respond, and I'm in regular contact with him. From his side, feedback remains generally positive, but of course I'd like to hear from more P-Long subscribers, like I'm sure we all do.

As for the guys who expressed intent on submitting pictures, I hope they eventually do, good, fair, or bad. Manual PE exercises and protocols tend to be a Marathon and NOT a 40-Yard-Dash, which is why Before & After's are so hard to come by. And respectfully, while you may not have promised pictures, you yourself have not provided any photos either -- I only say this to reaffirm my point & observations, not to suggest you owe us anything. To be honest, I don't have enough insider information on the 5 guys you refer to, but Dr. Brandeis and all their respective P-Long Providers are at the mercy of these men sticking with their promises -- and let's hope they do.

I'll reach out to one of my veteran members (who I can vouch for personally) who was seeing significant gains and was overall happy, and see where he is today.