TOPIC: Dr. Loria

Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best.

If you have any information that can be accurately translated from sources that have some legitimacy (or can at least have some plausibility), then it is your obligation to cite them if you wish to make the assertions highlighted in bold by Hoddle.

This forum thrives on the contribution of all posting members. So what exactly is your reason to join threads discussing Silikon 1000 or PMMA if you have nothing but baseless opinions to give? The idea is to share information, debate, and provide different perspectives. Opinions are acceptable when they are formed from an objective analysis. BigBen, you provide no objective content/sources to backup the reasoning behind your opinions. Instead, as Hoddle suggested, you inject fear into the conversation. There is no better way to cheapen the discussion then to incite fear and uncertainty as it pertains to our dicks.

Look at it this way: You (BigBen), find a way to accurately translate or cite a source (or multiple sources) which show men with PMMA in their penises having major issues in the long term. Bingo! Then as a forum, we begin to analyze & discuss your sources starting with #1- determining the legitimacy of the anecdotal evidence to the best of our ability, #2- determining whether the evidence is complete (e.g. brand of PMMA, physician, instrumentation, etc), and if not complete, is there enough info to consider the purported complications a seriousness?, and #3- how it relates to the Mexican & European brand of bioplasty as being reported by patients on this forum.

You see, you will have done a service to your fellow forum members, and the rest of us will have chimed in to better improve the knowledge-base of penis enlargement surgery. That is essentially how this forum has operated since its inception.

Anything else is just cheap discussion, or at worst, fear-mongering.

I still smell something bad about those pix!

Bigjunk thanks for sharing. How did you get the pictures by text or email? I can't even email them to myself. Also
The two i talked didn't send me as good of pictures.
But very big as well.

ripple wrote: I checked out his website, aside from penile enlargement he seems to specialize in hair restoration. Kind of an odd mix of services, don't you think?

Not really. A one-stop shop preying on the vanity and insecurities of men.

4 since last march or 1 a month. He started at 5.25 Girth.

The pictures they sent me look surprisingly good. Full coverage with taper in the neck area, looks very natural to me. Plus he can make my gland larger too, something I have always been self conscious about. Right now I am 7.2 el 5.75 mid eg. This will be my first PE endeavor so a little nervous. I am going to put my deposit down tomorrow though. They said I could be 7.2 x 7.2 soon (2 treatments) which is my goal. Also Dr Lorian hinted I may be able to go as high as 8in eg but said my girlfriends might not think it is such a great idea haha. thanks kc

To be honest, in my opinion, we just aren't going to be able to get anywhere near enough information to make this a viable option. There is a study that was carried out in Israel that I posted here previously, but the results in these articles are hard to independently substantiate. Being a pioneer with PMMA carries a big enough element of the unknown and that has widespread use in large quantities. Silikon 1000 seems like PMMA all over again, only this time we don't have the large South American market history.

Hoddle, let me be clear, I have not read about women with PMMA butt injections complaining of granulama symptoms less than three years after treatment. Cases may exist, so perhaps I should have phrased the time frame less definitively. And yes you make a good point, I can offer some personal experience in the future that guys can relate to better. So, There are only two blogs on PMMA penile injections: "Victims of Dr Bayard" and "Victims of Metacril". Unfortunately though they are in portugese and appear to be heavy on accusations and light on facts, so I primarily have read about PMMA butt complications in the past. The women point out the brand of PMMA occasionally but do not often mention the doctor, and never type of cannula, ect. This type of info just is not available so you never will have all the facts. Honestly, most people that run into problems are depressed and leaving a detailed list of all the circumstances relevant to their case is not a priority. But I agree with you, forum member can filter information accordingly to draw their own conclusions. Let me be clear I am not on a crusade to prevent people from increasing the size of their penis. But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism. Some guys will be perfectly happy with the results of their PE procedure for the rest of their lives, others won't.

Anyone know how to post picture from iPhone text message?

The first guy I talked with did mention the covering up of the veins like you are wondering, 2ndguy said no suchthing happen to him.
@tommy how would I upload after that?
I have emailed the doc asking if he appt available in sept if I find no bad press on this procedure.

Guys one of his customers sent me a few pics this morning and all I can say is this dude is huge over 7 Inch Girth. Hopfully I can ask him to visit the forum and chime in.

Bigben wrote: But I also think it is foolish to limit the conversations to positive outcomes only because it gives guys a false sense of optimism.

Exactly. That's the very reason why I (we) ask you to provide some background/sources/info to your assertions so that we can bring to light real risks associated with any given procedure. In this way we can improve the balance of information, both positive & negative outcomes.

In the meantime, I ask we resume the topic matter, thanks.

Even the butcher elist shows pix of before and after even thu some were not convincing, so if you do not see proof, run way. A few members of this site have gone thru hell and back and their advice is worth millions!

hoddle10 wrote:

New1inch wrote:

Skeptical One wrote: Man this guy is freakishly long...and has a nice Girth... what in the world was he thinking doing this to his penis when there is hardly any info on it (relative to other procedures) ?? And why hasn't he bothered joining the forum if he's willing to give photos away ?? And I'm not exactly sold on those photos, just saying.

And BigJunk, if you were well aware of this procedure and were contemplating as long as you (presumably) have, why did you wait till someone else started a thread to chime in??

I understand what your saying SO but just like any new procedure you may not find much info on it until more people have gone through with it. I'm pretty sure when PMMA first came to light there wasn't many testimonials or photos taken to prove it works. Maybe these guys are from the test trail and never considered to join a forum and talk about it: maybe they were just contracted to share their experiencesI with customers in exchange for a free procedure.

It seems this forum is changing rapidly. Everytime someone throws out an idea about a new procedure person is immediately shot down if they don't have a two page thesis on it. In the infant days of the old forum Everyone kept open minds and turned peeled back layers to find out if the procedure is plausible. Now if it's not PMMA people close their ears. It's just annoying and neEd to stop. Hear these people out and give it a chance. We won't learn anything if people keep getting shot off or called a shill.

When? And so what if that is the case? Do you not know the history of this industry? The reason there is no standardized technique that is because despite numerous different approaches, to date none have been able to produce results with high enough patient satisfaction and low enough complication rates. This has been going for 30 years and every time a new technique is introduced it seems to be followed by a new group of victims. We've learned from that and thus many of us are extremely skeptical when we hear about yet another new technique.

If with the first PMMA thread posted on PhalloBoards, the following day someone announced they were going to get it done, don't you think there would have been a similar reaction?

Im just saying relax. Look how defensive your being. Relax. It's only a forum. You acting like its a matter of life or death when someone has no proof. If it looks fishy to you move on. Or do your ownresearch and come back with what you found or didn't find. Calm DOWN.

Hi Guys, I will try to respond to your questions as best I can. I would encourage other guys to call and collect info too so we get a clearer picture. @SO I met with Dr Rosenthal after my divorce and planned on getting grafts right away. To be honest I was having a late mid life crisis and he told me to wait a while until I was feeling more upbeat about life. Also he said at my age the risk of complications is higher than a young guy, and I will take longer to heal. Then I read about re-absorption and decided to hold off even though I think Rosenthal is a good guy. I leaned about Dr Loria just recently, and I think I was jumping the gun yesterday. Sometimes I am just too impulsive. I will not schedule treatment until I am comfortable all of my concerns are addressed. @Smartman Regarding the guy with the tape measure, I also thought his penis looked pumped. The problem is he called me before I saw it otherwise I would have asked. I think another possibility is he took the picture shortly after the injection, or after some rough sex. It looks swollen to me and may be smaller when it is not inflamed. Sorry I don't know what a dorsum is. @kcchief: email. Would love to see the ones they sent your since they sound like different patients. @AE. Yes I believe the Dr said silicone mixed with something else. (what?) @N1I: I spoke to the guy with the big one on the phone for quite a while. I did not realize how big he was until I got the pictures though later in the day. He works as an adult actor and had the procedure specifically to get more work. He said he was big even before he reached puberty which I do not doubt. Also he said it was a mixed blessing, he is making a lot more money but it is difficult for him to maintain a relationship with girls outside the industry. Most don't like what he does, and he said the extra Girth is just too big oftentimes making sex painful. He said Dr loria has done quite a few guys in the Miami porn scene but they are bigger than me to begin with. He did not consider Dr Reed or any other PE surgeon because a scar or even a small Nodule will get blown during closeups and negatively impact his career. His personal advice to me was to not get too carried away and just get one injection. He reminded me you can't go backwards in size. Also both guys said they could meet me at the doctors office to see and make a decision before I commit. Anyone else beside KC thinking about this ?