TOPIC: Orange County, CA..dating scene?

Friends

I have been living in Toronto( supposedly he worst city in N America for single males by quite a few senior members) for past four plus years.

I am non- caucasian, hobby pilot, work in management in aviation company. I usually pass as 32-33, as latino/asian-Indian mix/ filipino mix etc. I have pretty decent game, developed bespoke wardrobe, 16% body fat, lean build, attractive face. One of my recent images on fotofeeler got 94% in attractiveness from 40 females under 34 years.

I have applied for a role in my current company and if selected I will have to move to Orange County, California. I hope to get around 130K annual pay, and have no kids or other liabilities.

Any members who are familiar with the area. Is this move beneficial in terms of dateable females and demographics...

Listen bro, you need to change up your thinking. Approaching female courtship with statistics isn't the right mindset. Forget about your body fat, and the fact that you're "non-white," and play the most pimped out song in your head as you interact with the woman you're courting. If you walk around with the confidence of being the top rooster in the henhouse, that vibe will spillover to her too. Once she senses your confidence, she'll feel comfortable, and when she's comfortable you can say pretty much anything to her and still have a chance. Lots of guys get nervous and say something stupid and its an immediate turn off for the woman. However, if you make her comfortable first it's ok. Case in point, 2 weeks ago I met a woman at a park who I initially met online. It was our first date. Literally 2 seconds before she walked up and shook my hand, I unknowingly closed one of my nostrils and blew out mucus from the other into the sidewalk, and also farted loudly. She walked right up to me and shook my hand and we both laughed and proceeded to have a great date. We did so because I was totally unfazed right from the beginning. Laughing made her comfortable, which made everything go smoothly. I banged her a couple of days ago. Show complete disregard for statistics, complete disregard for other males, and make every woman you talk to know that you're the only man they need to be spending their time with.

Have to agree with Chester. If you look at yourself as "statisically good" I think you might end up with other people who look at themselfs that way, and there are likely those you earn more and are better looking which leaves you in a never ending battle you cant win. My dating tip to you would to forbid you from using any dating site, dating app etc. Be careful to talk about your financial situation and you wont end up with the wrong type of girl.

Hi Swapzor

What would you recommend as dating options in offline dating world.

Thanks

So where would you recommend in Canada for women Aviator? Which city/state? My friend who lives in Canada seems to think the best looking women are from Montreal. I met a beautiful girl in London once from Saskatchewan her parents were Ukrainian and French.

Hi Reklaw

Broadly speaking Canada is culturally split into two zones.

If you look at global cultures, Spanish(latin countries) and French cultures are more romantic, fun loving than cultures with British influence.

Your friend is right. Not only are Montreal and Quebec women better looking in average, they are also more approachable and open.

I haven't explored the far north or interiors of Canada but when it comes to big cities Montreal and Quebec city are best options.

The best way that I see for dating/finding a partner for a male is to have female friends. Its not the best advice, cause it might be even harder to find female friends than female partners. Its hard to describe but when you have a female friend and she introduces you to her friends its easier to have a normal conversation, if you go up to a random stranger I feel like you might be seen as someone who is trying to just get "laid". Maybe I explain it bad but you get the idea. The second best is to have male friends who have female friends, in other words you are involved in a social settings with a lot of people. I dont really belive in finding a girl at a place you like, mb the gym, I mean you are at the gym to train and not to find a partner. But anything can work I guess.

I think knowing stats about one's self is important but not it is the only thing to worry about. Self confidence is very important.

I visit OC (Orange County) often and I find the girls there are fairly easy to talk to, more so then the women in North California.

If you have a nice car, some money and you have good self confidence I thing you will do well in OC.

Dating sites can get you a few steps forward, but success ultimately will depend on how you present yourself. Laughter and keeping conversation going is very important. In bed, you need to learn what makes a woman feel good, and it is not always a big Dick.... ?

Mustang2020 wrote: Dating sites can get you a few steps forward, but success ultimately will depend on how you present yourself. Laughter and keeping conversation going is very important. In bed, you need to learn what makes a woman feel good, and it is not always a big Dick.... ?

Precisely...and if anyone is curious, this is the song I play in my head when I'm talking to the ladies (with a lazy, satisfied look in my eyes, as if I just fucked her sister):
...with a specific emphasis on the following verse:
"Big Pysche, I hit like a bulldozer
I spot a chica with an ass like Trina, I tell her *Pull Over*
("It's so hot") Mama - that ass look proper
Take ya panties off and twist it round the air like a helicopter"

... and by the way, at 43 yrs old I scored a 77% on that fotofeeler site among 51 women who voted under the age of 44. Ask me if I give a fuck though.

Aviator, I've lived in the OC for most my life and boy have things changed. I'm in my 30s so I've seen the changing evolution from Laguna to Westminster, and for the better part of southern California in general.

I would first have to assess what are you looking for?

I would also have to judge what is a 4 vs a 9 in your opinion? (We have a saying in California called 49ers, women who look like 4s with attitudes of 9s. Stay clear of the Bay area!)

Are you into taboo lifestyles? (we have lots of kink communities)

Or are you looking for a kosher/traditional style bf/gf type of connection?

The OC has many pockets of different ethnicities, most of my local friends are latino, Vietnamese, & Korean. They met their significant other in graduate school, undergrad, couple failed marriages of people they met at church, & their co-workers. I've been on a sabbatical of sorts, and I guess in my "man-whore" days, the early days of tinder, fetlife, and even okcupid worked all the time if all I needed was sex. But as the internet hookup scene changed around the similar timeframe of when women's attitudes changed (around 2009), it really became bad during this last political election period. Both men and women are now openly displaying attention seeking behavior. Just by the wording of how you described yourself image I perceive a little societal influence there.

Now if you explore the online hookup or app scene, girls just want to tease you, they want validation, sexting and I think largely to some degree, many just like sending nude pics or vids of themselves + the aforementioned sexting. They get off on the attention vs actually meeting. There are many ACE type of women (adverse childhood experiences) and I think society with the help of technology and social media has social engineered a huge sample size of cluster B personality types.

I use to easily pick up girls in my early 20s in downtown Fullerton, do the typical buy them booze and invite them back to my place and we screw. I don't know if that culture or social behavior still exists there, but if it does be prepared to waste money on drinks on average looking girls who think they are unique because they have a BA or go to junior college (self labeled scholars). I endured like many of us, a lot of bullshit and we still do in order to get laid. There are scenes out there were getting laid is super easy, but if you want to talk to these women, be prepared to loose some brain cells.

Now, if you want quality over quantity, join the club. I thought I met someone who was a find of the century, until after dating her for many months I realize her lack of maturity, and the fact i was evolving into a role model figure for her vs a equal. Plus there was layers of bullshit to this woman that you only find out till months later. Anyways now, I have a few friends who are academics (anglo decent) and engineers (Indian) , they've tried out eharmony and have had a 50/50 success rate, but i honestly believe they're making lots of compromises and no body is finding what we want. I tried eharmony, right around the time frame of my early PMMA rounds, and met 3 cuties, 2 keepers, and 1 of the keepers was a missed opportunity because all i wanted to do was fuck at the time. i probably guarantee with 99.999% of the PMMA brethren all we want to do is fuck after our rounds. I wasn't ready for a long term committed relationship or marriage. She was. But now, the sire who I am today can handle what was available to me years earlier. This gent wants what I could of had, a cute blue eyed brunette who wanted the homestead kind of life.

So i go back to one of my original questions, "what are you looking for?"

Now, anecdotally tinder has been a great tool to find women worth dating in Baja Mexico. Tijuana, Mexicali, and Ensenada girls want a lover, a bf, and emotional + financial support, but most know how to cook, they have culture, and they know the way to a man's is his penis. I'm of the opinion that there are too many divas, too many entitled women, too many indecisive cluster Bs, and women with no corazon or culture in America, namely what's close to me (all of SoCal). Everybody has their opinion, every man has been edited to some degree by the social engineering of our society, but I've been known to resist change and swim against current. By the way, don't swim along Newport against current you might bump into a dolphin that looks like a shark or vice versa.

I've personally been away from the forum for the last 2 years. I notice we have many new faces, and many familiar faces. I've read a few posts and feel sad that the social engineering of our society and the bullshit we endure from single women has reinforced some of our insecurities. I came back from Espana early this year and I was so happy to see that women in Malaga and Granada are not fundamental feminist nazis (FFN). Corazon y pasion exists in parts of Spain. My advice while you are exploring LA, OC, and SD county, please continue to travel. Continue to grow as a man, appreciate your hobbies, appreciate our mountains, the outdoors etc. Your individual time, your time hanging out with your friends and colleagues over some Korean BBQ or ACYE style sushi. Vent with them, it's not always healthy to vent over a computer screen. Those are two things we do right in SoCal, we do Mexican food pretty decent too.

Make friends like the legendary Huell Howser, but more importantly just have fun. Don't think OC is a nirvana of worthy women, its ok, I just think it's gotten a little worse. Have fun exploring sir!

Salud amigos

-CHL

Welcome back CHL.

Good analysis of the current male situation especially in California. The Bay area where I am staying now is the WORST in the world. "Entitled FFN" are everywhere, even the Fugly (fat ugly) ones have huge attitudes: Hear me roar they say, and yes they can roar with all the fat around... LOL..

A 45 year old told me that she would never buy me a cup of coffee! It is a man's job, she expected men to pay for everything but she wanted 100% equality while men open the doors for her!!!! Needless to say, our date lasted exactly ONE cup of coffee that I paid for ?...Bitch! LOL...

Welcome back CHL...

Thank you for the detailed and very very well written post.
Appreciated..

Someday..if I manage to relocate to California, if you are nearby..I would like to take you for drinks.

It's good to be back. I was very glad to have discovered your post. I'll take you up on that offer! If you have a food hobby like I do, wait till you discover fine dinning in Baja. Ceviche and Argentinian steak never looked so good. There's also a hidden gem that serves fire roasted Quail and home made chorizo! The price of admission is like eating at the olive garden. Baja is a special place and I haven't even mentioned the women! Maybe I'll do a travel destination update from Tijuana to Ensenada. Tj isn't all about growing our handsome dicks, although it does become the focal point.

Salud