TOPIC: Please help.......

I will probably never have to worry about paying $3-4,000 every couple of years to get the HA.

The HA took me from 4.5 around to nearly 6 around

What HA did this? And how many CCs? $4000 would only buy you 10 cc of Restylane (at a discount) and it wouldn't increase your Girth nearly this much... so I'm curious to know what you had done and who did it.

Even if you could get Radiesse at $4000 which is 20% CaHA, there's no way it will increase your size from 4.5 to 6 Girth unless your penis is only 1-2" long.

The numbers are not adding up... but perhaps you can clarify this.

BOBUSA wrote: @ hoddle.

I have knowledge dude. I have tons of common sense and experience.

From how i see you right now, this is BS... You seem so biased and as hoodle say, projecting your opinion as being superior, that i cant take anything you say serious..


to everyone else.. sorry about this little outburst..

BOBUSA wrote: @ hoddle.

I have knowledge dude. I have tons of common sense and experience.

Ask yourself this .
Why would Dr Korea be so threatened by PMMA? Why not he just do it himself if it's so great.


The topic might have been discussed to death... but maybe you guys aren't seeing the wood for the trees. You can not get this stuff out !

PMMA beads are produced in China - seriously,common sense , Chinese plastic in my Dick - no thanks.

generic versions made in Brazil ? - No thanks.

I am no chemist or doctor. But look for example at that Elist implant. Did you need a medical degree to take one look at that and think hmmm... does not look right.

I think people DO need some common sense advice.
And it is NOT common sense to stick plastic from anywhere in your Dick.
Even the approved stuff like Artefill

[These are the businesses most badly effected by the popularity of PMMA.] Are you saying because bad guys like Elist didn't like PMMA and campaign against it that it means PMMA is somehow good. A bad guy can correctly point out another product is no good.
If Dr K thought PMMA was good he would use it.

Again, you are projecting your opinion as being superior, without taking into account that everyone has different circumstances and objectives etc.

Anyone who takes the time to do their research will be aware of the risks with synthetic fillers and can make their decision accordingly.

Given how frequently Dr Kim has changed his opinion over the last 5 years or so, what he thinks is good doesn't really mean much does it? When I first contacted him he was advocating PLGA scaffolds. He then turned to Alloderm and even dabbled with doing FFT and Alloderm combinations. Then PMMA came grew in popularity and he had to find an injectable to started injecting PLGA. If you look at the bad complications from those types of procedures and compare them with the PMMA complication rate, what does that say about Dr Kims opinion? I'm not saying Dr Kim isn't a good surgeon or he is dishonest or anything. I actually like his approach from what I've read about him and hope more people investigate Megafill. But let's not make out as if his opinion had proved particularly valuable in the past.

You don't use generic medicine?

What might seem like common sense for someone in your position with your objectives, doesn't apply to everyone. Let's face it, Dr Kim himself now advocates a different type of filler, rather than HA, so his point of view is different from yours. Does he lack common sense now. Did he lack common sense when he was advocating Alloderm, PLGA and FFT etc?

Just go see David Ralph on Harley Street for HA injection if you have fat injected it will go lumpy, it would probs be Franklin Kuehas who would do it for you at international Andrology, I did not think he was a trustworthy person.
HA will increase your Flaccid length

How much did you gain from 20 ml of saline?

thanks for the reply and pm 007.
i have always been interested in HA first and foremost - partly because of the temporary nature. the thing is, if the maximum i can get in the UK is 10ml, well that hardly seems worth the bother and certainly not worth the cost. if someone was doing less pricey fillers - therefore more volume for the same price - i would be one of the first in the queue !

i emailed that french doctor - dr oudot - with some questions via his website but no reply so far after 4 days... i think perhaps either nobody checks the website messages, which wouldnt surprise me since the pricing on there is out of date compared to the prices he says on his youtube videos, or he cant be arsed answering questions. i dunno. but stuff like that does not fill me with confidence. if he doesnt bother to maintain his website or answer questions then how bothered is he about everything else? maybe i am too fixated on small details but i dont want anyone with a slapdash approach to life messing around with my Cock !i dont believe he is that busy or receiving hundreds of enquiries a day...

anyway, just out of interest to save me the time of waiting for an answer, how much did viel quote you recently for FFT only ? i'm not interested in lig cut as, from what i can gather, any gains seem as likely from manual device stretching post op as from the op itself. and i dont want to be messing with ligaments and stuff anyway, just Girth.

thanks again for the response. i emailed Androfill in london yesterday for some more info on the 'filler with volumiser' they mention once on the site. if that means they may increase the overall volume by adding another filler to the juvederm then i am interested ! i will post whatever i get in reply.

I think you are going to find that someone on this board has had one of those procedures - or quite a few have had one or more - and everyone has had different results.

The consensus is that Elist is absolutely the worst of the worst.

FFT usually reabsorbs (partially or mostly) unevenly - or evenly if you are lucky.

HA from what I understand is temporary and not the same thing as PMMA.

PMMA is popular on this board and the most permanent but leads to many irregularities and it seems hard to predict who has a bad outcome, after care being equal.

I have had my ligs cut and only have a very small horizontal scar and would do it again, but you will only get Flaccid increase. You will need to hang for an Erect increase and that can take up to a year or a year and a half of Hanging or stretching everyday for 8 hours or so to get an Inch or a little more than an Inch.

Some people however, have had the lig. surgery and lost length.

The best way to find out what is offered in London is still the internet.
Hope that helps.

hey 007 thanks for the additional info. Bobusa too.

i haven't heard back from Androfill yet but will let you know when i do. i expect they are focused on trying to get people to come in for a consultation. anyway, they definitely keep their website updated because there is some new info on there today - 10 syringes maximum have to be spaced 2 weeks apart apparently. but i am wondering if they use the 2ml juvederm voluma syringes or the 1ml cos that would obviously make all the difference.
i guess if they respond to my email i will have the answer to that and other questions i asked...

i dunno about any permanent effect but as you probably saw on the Androfill site, they have changed their information on that now, while not saying it doesnt happen, they are kind of distancing themselves from saying it does. but i am not really bothered about that if it lasts a year or more even if its getting less

I don't think the lig cut made a difference in the Erect length actually. If it had it probably would not have taken a year and a half to see the gains I ultimately got. All I can say about the procedure is that it makes your Flaccid longer. I said I would do it again but the truth is I had it done so long ago and I know that it worked out so it is easy to say. I am not sure it is worth it as a procedure unless you have a super turtled penis. I bet Hanging for a year and a half would increase your Flaccid too and I would have ended up with the same gains.
There is a guy on here Sayrusx (sp? Sayrux?) who had it done the way I did in terms of cut and his came out very well.
Also I had my grafts put in at the same time so I can't say what the recovery time is as the grafts are a much more complicated procedure - they take the strips from the crease in your ass, so that is healing, your Dick is healing and my ligs were cut. Of all 3 procedures my sense if that the lig cut was the easiest to heal as I don't even remember it.

@BOBUSA

A temporary filler that can feel soft when Flaccid and firm when Erect (like PMMA) is probably the best option out there, but comes at a cost (repeated fillings not only to achieve size, but to maintain size). PMMA has the advantage of permanency and is even offered by dermatologists in the US alongside temporary fillers. It's not motor oil and is regarded as a perfectly capable Dermal Filler. The appeal is permanency, but not all feel comfortable with that, and that makes sense.

I underwent procedures years ago and chose PMMA based on a few reasons: Most importantly, I wouldn't have to return for top-offs for the rest of my life -A.) just can't afford that the rest of my life and B.) I have no assurances that my current phsyician wont be retired years out from now, and have less assurances the next doctor to top me off is skilled enough to ensure a reasonable outcome. I also based my decision on the anecdotal evidence given here by pioneers before me describing how it mimics your actual penis (soft when Flaccid, hard when Erect), and for the most part, it's true. It also helped that the forum's much smaller community at the time did its very best to assimilate all the information and research we could to get a grasp on how safe/dangerous it was, and I felt comfortable with the risk I was taking (knowing full well I was a risk, especially unknown long term risks). Lastly, although cost should not be a factor in your reasoning, at the time I was broke and genuinely thin, and found the allure of instant Girth for what was at the time $1500 (it's gone up considerably since). I gained roughly an Inch going from 3.5" MSEG to 4.5" MSEG in one session. But I would not advocate this to just anyone...since as you can see, I started with an Erect Girth as big as many of your Flaccid girths.

[Again, you are projecting your opinion as being superior, without taking into account that everyone has different circumstances and objectives etc. ]

True - something worked well for me so I am a bit keen to just tell others to do the same.


[Anyone who takes the time to do their research will be aware of the risks with synthetic fillers and can make their decision accordingly. ]

I suppose so, but then they do that and get an Elist implant - I want to say WTF are you nuts and prevent what is to me obvious. I'll back off and let people make their own mistakes.


[Given how frequently Dr Kim has changed his opinion over the last 5 years or so, what he thinks is good doesn't really mean much does it? ]

I dunno, he always advocated HA - always. When someone changes their mind in the face of new information I think... respect to them - value truth , over the risk of reputation / being called indecisive. That's my view.


[When I first contacted him he was advocating PLGA scaffolds. He then turned to Alloderm and even dabbled with doing FFT and Alloderm combinations. Then PMMA came grew in popularity and he had to find an injectable to started injecting PLGA. If you look at the bad complications from those types of procedures and compare them with the PMMA complication rate, what does that say about Dr Kims opinion? I'm not saying Dr Kim isn't a good surgeon or he is dishonest or anything. I actually like his approach from what I've read about him and hope more people investigate Megafill. But let's not make out as if his opinion had proved particularly valuable in the past. ]

I get it, it can look bad when you change your mind. he always stuck by HA which is what I had.


[You don't use generic medicine? ]

Yea Modafinil from the moda cat website cant you tell.

Two things. Don't cut the suspensory ligament , I had it done and my Dick is actually shorter hard , but maybe 1cm longer when floppy. Any doctor who does this should and claims its penis lengthening should be struck off because its just lengthens the Dick when its soft so whats the point. scam, makes me angry

2. Go to Dr Kim in korea and have the HA, I have it once every couple of years. Anything else is nuts.

for sure, I dont think that 10ml is going to be exactly life changing but i haven't had HA injections (yet) so I cant say for sure. the before and after shots on the website of a UK clinic that do it look legit (tape measure in one of them) but i have stuck 20ml and 40ml of saline in my penis before and i can tell you, 10ml is not going to add an Inch of Girth unless there is some other process is at work (such as drawing in water and then expanding further, as those who inject dextrose experience)

macrolane is an inexpensive HA filler for volume, under half the price of the others by volume, but seems to have been dropped by most surgeons. mostly, from what I can gather by online research, because it doesnt last all that long and due to using larger volumes e.g. 50ml+++ results were a bit sketchy. Hoddle and some others posted about it because it did used to be offered here in the UK for PE but no-one does now, I am guessing because customers weren't happy with the results. but it is still around. made by the same people who make Restylane and emervel.

it was heavily marketed in the UK some years back as the 'lunchtime boobjob' but then got withdrawn for that use. but its still used for other areas. anyway, you dont much hear of it nowadays.

although supposedly its what Kim Kardashian keeps having pumped into her butt.
lol.

actually you could try stretching for lenght...in this board there is a report with progress pictures from someone who used an extender for a year

Hi hunkydory.

"1. your Dick can never be made longer when hard "

Yes, with weights maybe that is true, have to work long and hard at it. But what I meant to say was just by snipping the ligament your Dick is not longer When Hard.

Apologies for the poor grammar in my posts I was never strong with writing, but I am going to go back and tidy up what I wrote.