--- title: "Example of PE Lengthening Surgery - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "A friend of mine got some pictures from Dan Salas showing a patient of Dr. Camacho-Melo before and after lengthening surgery. It shows the patient using..." url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/penile-lengthening-database/5565953-example-of-pe-lengthening-surgery.html?start=0" date: "2026-08-06T14:49:53+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Example of PE Lengthening Surgery ## Example of PE Lengthening Surgery 14 years 9 months ago [\#1270921842](#1270921842) - **[Sheldon](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1727297-sheldon.html "View Sheldon's Profile")** - [![Sheldon's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1727297-sheldon.html "View Sheldon's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1727297-sheldon.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 57 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1727297) A friend of mine got some pictures from Dan Salas showing a patient of Dr. Camacho-Melo before and after lengthening surgery. It shows the patient using thegrip system (NOT endorsing that), which makes one wonder why the patient is not using Dan Salas' traction device, but I think this illustrates the importance of stretching. Dr. CM never answered my emails about PE surgery and post-op traction/devices but I am glad some members wrote about Dr. CM in the Phalloplasty physician database thread. IF anyone of you are easily offended then DON'T LOOK AT THESE PICTURES! I really don't want anyone to start again with the shenanigans or make insincere remarks just to justify their position here on the forum. If some meshuggener is offended then either PM SO or myself (politely) and either he or I will remove these pictures. For the more open minded members of this forum, I hope this gives you some idea of what's involved with PE lengthening surgery. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9wZW5pbGUtbGVuZ3RoZW5pbmctZGF0YWJhc2UvNTU2NTk1My1leGFtcGxlLW9mLXBlLWxlbmd0aGVuaW5nLXN1cmdlcnkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTA=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Example of PE Lengthening Surgery 14 years 5 months ago [\#1272491507](#1272491507) - **[hung\_like\_a\_mouse](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1828289-hung-like-a-mouse.html "View hung_like_a_mouse's Profile")** - [![hung_like_a_mouse's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1828289-hung-like-a-mouse.html "View hung_like_a_mouse's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1828289-hung-like-a-mouse.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 26 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1828289) Hi...I thought this doc went through the scrotum? Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9wZW5pbGUtbGVuZ3RoZW5pbmctZGF0YWJhc2UvNTU2NTk1My1leGFtcGxlLW9mLXBlLWxlbmd0aGVuaW5nLXN1cmdlcnkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTA=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Example of PE Lengthening Surgery 14 years 4 months ago [\#1272838836](#1272838836) - **[Sheldon](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1727297-sheldon.html "View Sheldon's Profile")** - [![Sheldon's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1727297-sheldon.html "View Sheldon's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1727297-sheldon.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 57 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1727297) I am not sure if he is going through the scrotum or making the traditional horizontal incision. I wrote to both Dr. CM and Dan Salas but neither one of them has gotten back to me. I was interested in knowing if Dan Salas has any new or modified techniques about post-op stretching. Dan Salas may have his faults but he does not quite a bit about PE. Thanks for your contribution to this thread, mouse. 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Unless someone on here knows for sure that he is absolutley fine with beeing showed off like this on the internet. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9wZW5pbGUtbGVuZ3RoZW5pbmctZGF0YWJhc2UvNTU2NTk1My1leGFtcGxlLW9mLXBlLWxlbmd0aGVuaW5nLXN1cmdlcnkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTA=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Example of PE Lengthening Surgery 14 years 3 months ago [\#1273047411](#1273047411) - **[Miracle8x7](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html "View Miracle8x7's Profile")** - [![Miracle8x7's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html "View Miracle8x7's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1724055-miracle8x7.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 1328 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1724055) Thank you for noticing this AG. I have modified the picture and blurred the patient's face. 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Rule (R10.) is something I take very seriously. It wouldn't even matter if the individual was okay with his face being on the internet because I'd have no real way of confirming that. I'm surprised Dan even submitted photos showing a face (not the first time I've seen that from a Dan email). Thanks AG! And thanks M7 for the alteration. 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Dan realizes his equipment isnt always the best. I know Dan, and only like his leg strap, which is the sturdiest and the most strength out there, but the rest of his stuff is a pump vaccum systems that I believe are not good for the Cock. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9wZW5pbGUtbGVuZ3RoZW5pbmctZGF0YWJhc2UvNTU2NTk1My1leGFtcGxlLW9mLXBlLWxlbmd0aGVuaW5nLXN1cmdlcnkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTA=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Example of PE Lengthening Surgery 13 years 3 months ago [\#1277908903](#1277908903) - **[fixit](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1764419-fixit.html "View fixit's Profile")** - [![fixit's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1764419-fixit.html "View fixit's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1764419-fixit.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 1 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1764419) I'd like to talk to someone who did Phalloplasty. I've seen some sites, pics before and after, but would be interesting to know the truth of who did the surgery. Specially those who did the surgery one year or six months ago at least. If you know or if you did the surgery, please tell me. Is there an specific topic about it? Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9wZW5pbGUtbGVuZ3RoZW5pbmctZGF0YWJhc2UvNTU2NTk1My1leGFtcGxlLW9mLXBlLWxlbmd0aGVuaW5nLXN1cmdlcnkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTA=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Example of PE Lengthening Surgery 12 years 4 months ago [\#1281949898](#1281949898) - **[bkalita](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2258041-bkalita.html "View bkalita's Profile")** - [![bkalita's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2258041-bkalita.html "View bkalita's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2258041-bkalita.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 1 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2258041) I have had my lengthening done from DR. Giunta 2 weeks ago. Still healing lets she how this one turn out to be? I have started Hanging with very light weight, manual stretching followed by stretcher provided by Dr. Giunta during sleep. 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Giunta 2 weeks ago. Still healing lets she how this one turn out to be? I have started Hanging with very light weight, manual stretching followed by stretcher provided by Dr. Giunta during sleep. Bkalita - how are you doing now? What are your measured gains? Flaccid and Erect. Considering this surgery. 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Obviously the temptation of a cheaper doc in TJ is appealing, does anyone have any insight to those docs (I've only seen two, Dr. Uribe and Camacho)? Appreciate any advice. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9wZW5pbGUtbGVuZ3RoZW5pbmctZGF0YWJhc2UvNTU2NTk1My1leGFtcGxlLW9mLXBlLWxlbmd0aGVuaW5nLXN1cmdlcnkuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTA=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Example of PE Lengthening Surgery 12 years 2 months ago [\#1282905186](#1282905186) - **[dcpimpin12](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile")** - [![dcpimpin12's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 316 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1982119) I had surgery with dr Camacho and I wouldn't recommend him... if u going to get your lig cut u should go with dr Rosenthal he is also in California and he has good reviews. 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Rosenthal charges $4500, Alter charges $5000. consider the cost of hotels around their clinics also. Alter is in Beverly Hills and hotels are $250 a night, Rosenthal is in Huntington Beach and Best Western was $82 a night when I stayed there but that fluctuates. 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