TOPIC: Taking the plunge... PMMA with Dr Casavantes

@Jcs8528: That's good to hear. This website helps out so many of us. I can't think of a more impactful website for me personally that I've visited.

Hi all,

Post Round 2: Update (7.5 weeks out):

I've been focusing on using the X4 Labs 8 to 10 hours a day. 4 days or 5 days on, 1 rest day. There are three ways to extend your penis using the x4 Labs extender. A tube, a Velcro strap, and a wide rubber strap. I prefer the rubber strap.

I don't know better way to describe my progress than what length I start each day with using the x4 extender. Why? Because for me that shows how pliable my penis is (stretchable). During the coarse of the day I will continue to add to the stretch but for this analysis I'm going to state what I start the day with in terms of rods.

Prior to the x4 Lab I used the ESL40 and a cheapo extender I found on Amazon that uses the tube. Both really hurt my glans. So I bought x4 Labs in November.

x4 Labs start of the day:
Weeks 0 to 2:
The spring rods only, no other extensions.
Weeks 2 to 4:
Added the smallest extension (0.5")
Weeks 4 to 6:
Went to the next extender rod (1")
Weeks 6 to 12:
The two smallest extender rods (1.5")
Weeks 12 to ?:
The next rod up (2")

That's a 2" stretch improvement in 12 weeks. It hasn't resulted in 2" Flaccid or Erect length by any means. I'm guessing a 0.5" Flaccid, and a 0.25" Erect but I'm not entirely sure. I'm going to continue this route for a bit. See what happens.

When I first got the x4 I was shocked at the length and number of rods. I thought for sure I would it take me years to get to the 2" rod. But here I am 3.5 months later and I'm there. I look at the 3" rods and think to myself "Damn. No way." But who knows.

An interesting thing happened in mid January. I don't know how to describe it but it's almost like my penis finally decided to relax and go with the flow. Those first 2.5 months it seemed like a battle. And it hurt like a SOB too most of the time. Now I put I put it in and basically forget about it. In fact, I have to remember to extend it during the coarse of the day. I've been using the 2" rods for a couple of weeks now. I read about 'the wall' that PE hit especially with length so I'm not going to push it.

That's all for now.

Oh, Girth has been stable for a while now. No new news.

CPW

Great info on your progress and on the x4. I'm being a woos about using it but now maybe I'll start to get more serious about it. The wide Girth base always hurts me, so I end up deferring to the ESL40 or a quick pump.

How exactly does the strap work again? I think mine came with all those parts, and after viewing their video, I went with the noose because I didn't want to jeopardize the PMMA growth by wrapping a strap around it. I guess it's ok to do so now after a month out from rd. 1. I'll look up the video again.

I'm seriously thinking about saving up another 3K and getting rd.2 in July. It's only money, right? Although I told myself I wouldn't measure, I found that my Girth is around 5.5" now, and it looks small again to me. I keep wondering if it's the body dysmorphia or if it's actually small! Perhaps to a new girl, it will look biggish, but to the one I fucked after only 5 days post rd. 1, it looks completely different! If she ever asks, I'll tell her that in order to get into her pants, that I had pumped beforehand to impress her. She's blonde, so I think she'll buy it!

@AstroD:

"She's blonde, so I think she'll buy it!" Maybe she dies her hair tho and then you're screwed... LOL

I worried about the white strap messing with the PMMA too but finally went with it as the other options, the noose or the ESL40, killed my glans. Using the white strap is so easy tho. Try it out and let me know how it works for you. It's didn't hurt my PMMA at all.

We do have dysmorphia! It's messed up honestly. It's probably a good thing you have to wait until July to get round 2. It'll give you perspective. Maybe you will leave well enough alone.

When I started this process if someone had said "Your Dick size will be ..." and then they give my current stats then I would have been "Deal. Sign me up." Now I'm thinking I want to be a bit bigger - both Girth and length. That's dysmorphia for sure.

Your 5.5" MSEG is thick. No need to go any bigger but I understand the pull..

CPW

Ok, here's a perspective:

When she saw it the first time, 5 days after surgery, the base was 7" and the shaft was 6.5", and her eyes were 2.0" in diameter lol!

Now...yawn. I goofed showing it off too soon. Don't do it guys! It's tempting, but can be regrettable later, let me tell you.

So now, yes, a new chick will see it for what it is, biggish. But blondy knows it's not what it was, and yes, she has dark roots and is smart so she may not be fooled. She hasn't said anything yet, and likes getting her clit licked, so for now I'm safe.

PS: I think I do want Rd. 2, even if it looks like a baseball when Flaccid. That's why I'm trying to gain length any way I can.

@AstroD:

One week post surgery is amazing. Both times I had sex my wife and each time I was a good 0.5" thicker than what I ended up with. It's crazy because the end result both times was great but we both kept thinking about that post 1 week Girth.

CPW

Agreed. Sex inside of a week post procedure gives you a sense of awe about the size of your unit. I guess we all have that memory ingrained in our minds afterwards and use that stat as a measuring stick going forward. I'm about to re-experience the feeling as my Round 2 is coming up here on Thursday. I already know myself, I'm going to be loving the swollen monster, and then when it all heals up, I'm not even going to appreciate the gains as much as I would have had there been no exaggerated swollenness to begin with. It's quite the paradox and conundrum. I guess I, too, am getting that dysmorphia thing, huh?

I have to be really careful getting into that rut. I look at my Dick now and think that it's still small! I don't even remember what it looked like before rd.1, and all I see is that it doesn't look all that big to me. My mind tells me that most of the product has been resorbed.

Even if I was ok with the current size, it seems that now it's difficult for me to even use it due to trouble getting it up. I'm hoping it's just psychological and will try to see a doc in the near future about it. I tried 50mg of Viagra by myself and it never got to the steel rod stage. I'll try the 100mg next, and with a girl, hoping it will work. It seems to have just lost it's will to live recently, my little pecker. Fuck!

I think 99% of that is psychological - I went through the same thing when I was 7.25 x 7 - objectively I knew I was bigger than everyone I slept with, but subjectively my head often told me it was still small. I think it is a bit like anorexia, where you lose all sense of proportion and at some point I realized I was not even responding to my Dick but the conversation I was having about my Dick, which started long before I had anything done to make it larger and hadn't really changed that much.

There is also an axiom in psychology - people are more sensitive to a change in their state than their overall gains. If you start at 5 and went to 5.5 but didn't swell to 6 for example, you would probably be happier than the guy who starts at 5, swells to 6 and then goes down to 5.6.

There have been multiple Olympic medal studies where people who win the bronze are happier than people who win silver because the people who win bronze think how lucky they were to win a medal, and the people who win silver think how they just missed gold. In this case "gold" is the Girth you swelled to so your actual gain feels like a silver. If you just compare it to where you started it would probably feel more like gold.

Hi All,

I've been doing this 4 or 5 day stretch using the x4 Labs ADS (8+ hrs a day) followed by 1 day of rest. This weekend was jammed packed so Saturday was only a half day (4 hrs) and yesterday was a rest day (0 hrs). Today I lost a lot of stretch capability. It's like my penis 'forgot' all that work put in. I was back to a 0.5" less stretch.

Is this normal? I thought that the gains were permanent. I'll get through it no doubt but it's depressing. How the heck do guys do this for years on end? Tough guys I guess. Day by day for me...

CPW

I decided to try a hypnosis program for ED. Apparently, if it is psychological, this will quelch the ED right out of my subconscious and I'll be like I was at 20 again yay!

My Dick is getting hard even as I write this!!! You see, it IS performance anxiety after all. I better start working out. What if the issue I'm anxious about isn't my Dick at all, but my man boobs and belly? Oh and balding, and love handles and no waist and small Balls and so on.

Justdoit, you have great results brother! CPW is right. Most experienced members on the forum will tell you that 5.5-6.0 is ideal. Some guys go bigger due to their personal situations, but a single guy might find 6-7 Inch Girth limiting. If you like blowjobs or anal, you shouldn't go much bigger.

CPW wrote: Hi All,

I've been doing this 4 or 5 day stretch using the x4 Labs ADS (8+ hrs a day) followed by 1 day of rest. This weekend was jammed packed so Saturday was only a half day (4 hrs) and yesterday was a rest day (0 hrs). Today I lost a lot of stretch capability. It's like my penis 'forgot' all that work put in. I was back to a 0.5" less stretch.

Is this normal? I thought that the gains were permanent. I'll get through it no doubt but it's depressing. How the heck do guys do this for years on end? Tough guys I guess. Day by day for me...

CPW

Imagine running a mile everyday for a year and only improving your time by seconds. Or taking a woman out on 500 dates to get a kiss. Thats how rewarding traction is. You do not get what you put it. It just aint worth it! You have a great looking Dick man. I'd use your time with something more productive.

Claims of 2" for 2000 hours of use are bogus. Show me ANYBODY who has gained 2" of Erect length from traction and I'll gladly strap into mine for 8 hours a day until I reach it. I've seen a thousand claims, but not one single photo.

Anyway, I won't bombard you with how I feel about extenders anymore. Keep on keepin on.

jd123 wrote: Show me ANYBODY who has gained 2" of Erect length from traction and I'll gladly strap into mine for 8 hours a day until I reach it. I've seen a thousand claims, but not one single photo. Anyway, I won't bombard you with how I feel about extenders anymore. Keep on keepin on.

I have the same question. Why, if many guys on PE-boards say that they has gained 2" or even 2.5" EL, they don't do proof pics? Or if they do, they doesn't have pre-PE pics with old size Dick. Even on PhalloBoards there is some guys who claims that they gained 2" and I want trust them, but yea, they don't have pics too!

@Herbert West/jd123:

I never suggested that I gained 2". That's not even a goal of mine.

That said, I've read that a lot of folks see a 0.5" to 1" after 6 months to a year extension. That's huge in my book. I think I'm sitting on 0.25" increase right now but it's difficult to know for sure because I wasn't doing BPEL before.

CPW