TOPIC: Elist implant removal by Dr. Solomon

Update at nearly 5 weeks out: Current EL hitting between 4.5"-4.75" and EG around 5.5". FL between 3.5"-4" and FG around 4.5". Overall, I'm doing and feeling great. Sex has been great when I'm lucky enough to get it (damn pregnancy discomfort). I have my old EL (5.5") in sight, and hope to go beyond it into 6" territory if possible. This week I began swapping out my unelaborate 5-minute stretches with the following routine: www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.p...3d5dfb4c59a1b5f637a5 It's been helpful, but I find it necessary to watch porn in order to get the 80% erection when jelqing. Anybody does this while jelqing? I've been pumping every other day, and will likely have to drop to a narrower cyllander (as it's pulling my scrotum into the chamber with my penis). Anybody experience this? I had to take a few days off from hanging, as I got blisters on the top of my glans. I should be back in hanging business by tomorrow. I'm reserving the bib hanger for non-pump days beginning next week.

Question: could I swap out Jelqing with pumping?

I have difficulty in achieving erections necessary for Jelqing, don't want to have to ingest porn on a semi-daily basis to achieve these erections and find it extremely tedious and tiring to jelq after 45 minutes of stretching. If the purpose of Jelqing is to increase blood flow to the penis after stretching, would this not be done most efficiently by pumping after stretching instead of Jelqing? I've done this a few times already, and it cuts down on my routine by about 40 minutes (from 2 hours stretching+Jelqing down to 1 hour 20 mins with stretching+pumping). Little help?

Hi BostonMan,
I think pumping is good for blood flow and EQ but size gains from it, length and width, are temporary.
After I see some results from stretching and Jelqing alone then I might begin pumping again. But not for perhaps 6-12 months out.
Incidentally one of the reasons I got testicular implants was to keep my testicles from getting sucked into the cylinder when pumping. It worked.... until I developed problems and had them removed.

Thanks RogueTrader. I think you're probably right, as my gains had been stable prior to replacing Jelqing with the pump (now it's fluctuating somewhat). Also, I'm seeing the effect (temporary or not) of increased Girth but not increased length from the pump (which is not what I'm after).

Question Rogue: when you jelq, do you work to maintain a steady Erection throughout the entire session? Or, do you just put on lubricant and jelq away in whatever state the penis happens to be in? My frustration with Jelqing came from the difficulty in maintaining a firm Erection throughout the session (which would take up to an hour, and require a lot of porn). I'm not interested in having to view so much porn on a daily basis, or for my session to take so long as a result of Erection difficulties.

BTW, how has your progress been coming along?

To be honest I can't see how Jelqing helps with regaining length. The reason from retraction is scar tissue.

I had PM'ed Messageman in order to find out whether Jelqing was an important part of his routine. He mentioned that it was not, that his routine was largely manually stretching and pumping. Given that my Erection difficulties make Jelqing difficult and not a lot of fun and they were not part of the routine that restored MM to his original size and then some, I'm going to stick with manually stretching twice per day, all day stretching and pumping every day.

My '"Jelqing" isn't really Jelqing because I don't maintain 80% Erection..or whatever it is...either. I grab the glands and pull it hard with one hand away from my body. I use the other hand to push down hard, starting at the base then moving that hand along the shaft while maintaining the pressure in every direction. I do this in multiple directions- every direction possible. As I relax I get into it and it feels good. I may start to get an Erection but it is not essential. I do it when I get home from work. It is very relaxing. kind of gets me in tune with myself....makes me feel good about my Dick. Dick meditation.
I remember Dr Alter didn't say anything about it when I mentioned Jelqing. He kept quiet. He talked about the importance of stretching and Hanging with weights though. The more duration the better.

I am doing good. Thanks for asking. I am now 5 months post penis implant Removal and almost three months testicular implant Removal. Gawd I can't belive after all that I am back where I started.... though as I mentioned there are a few positives.. I am still very thick at the base which I always wanted, and my Erection angle is very high. which looks good. And thanks for the tip on fucking doggy style that does seem to work the best.

@RogueTrader: sounds like Dr. Alter and Dr. Solomon said pretty much the same things. Glad the doggy style tip is working well for you, and that you have your length back! I've also been enjoying missionary with me standing in front of the bed with her legs over my shoulders (it takes bending my knees to accomodate for the angle). Any positions you are able to recommend to me with the new angle?

Question about the scar tissue: have you gradually noticed it filling in areas left deflated by the absence of the implant? For example, when Flaccid before stretching the base towards the pubic area seems a little thinner than the shaft above it. This area fills in after stretching or when I have an Erection, but I'm wondering if the scar tissue will fill that area in when Flaccid? What is the consistency of the new scar tissue (hard, soft, etc.)? Does the new scar tissue differ much from the capsule from an external and internal penile point of view?

Hey there Boston! sorry it took so long to write other than the brief PM response. I am so glad to hear that you are doing well, (considering) after Removal, and that you went ahead with the Removal, cograts are in order!
I just don't get on the site much anymore, mainly because I'm really busy, but also I feel like I will be tempted to do the PMMA thing if I read about all the happy (mostly) customers that are getting it. It's not that I think there's anything wrong with dudes doing it or that I wouldn't like some more Girth. the thing is I already wasted all that cash, and time, on the implant and I truley can't justify the money, time and effort on having a bigger Dick, especially at my age (56) and with my lame sex life. I know it's kinda sad, but Ive come to accept the fact that I probably won't be having sex with anyone other than my wife, which is rare in itself, for the rest of my life, and she could care less about it! so really, why bother.
Anyway I'm really happy for you and hope that you get the Dick you want someday, or atleast get back to pre implant size and condition. you might want to try adding pumping to your routine. Sounds like you retained some Girth from the so called capsule or scar tissue right? thats cool, I wish I would have! I'm not sure but I think part of the reason I didn't, is because I didn't have the internal stitching done. I think that caused , or didn't cause, I should say, more scar tissue to build up. but the good news is that my Erection angle is back to normal and the curvature is pretty much gone too. Also most of the length is back and all I did was some pumping for about 6 weeks. I really should try stretching to get it all back, but, once again, who's going to notice that gives a shit, other than my self. shit there I go whining again. Good luck brother and I will write my implant saga on your manifesto thread soon. Take care

@Mark: thanks for writing! I'm very glad to hear you have your penis relatively recovered (with the length and the angle normalized). I wish I was in your shoes for the lack of capsule (scar tissue), as it's occasionally noticeable and uncomfortable for my wife during sex. As you've observed, the additional Girth is always attainable via PMMA and the leftover capsule isn't necessarily a good thing. It's something I'll eventually be forced to address, but for now am focusing on getting my length back.

I can understand your de-emphasis of the penis size issue, and relate to the frustration of not getting sex as much as you want it. For the past two years, my wife's 2 pregnancies and post-partum depression has made sex a complicated proposition. At the risk of sounding like a Maxim consultant, I would just stress that 56 is plenty young enough to aspire to a healthy sex life. Don't give up on that aspect of yourself! Have you exhausted your bag of tricks for restoring the spark to the bedroom? I don't want to poke what may be a sore spot, but is there a bigger picture issue at play with regards to your relationship? I wish you nothing but the best, my friend. Please feel free to write here or PM me anytime.

@ Boston, hey thanks man. I don't really mind talking about it, and I don't have to worry about my wife reading this, because she just doesn't care about the topic to ever get on here and see what I said to anyone here. You hit the nail on the head when you guessed that there might be more going on in our marriage than lack of sex, As is usually the case. Its a long story but briefly we met 12 yrs ago, I was married 2 other times before, and she had never even had a long term relationship, ( at 41 yrs old!) I should have been a little worried by that fact alone. Her expectations were through the roof! She is a classy lady and she really wanted to get married, well I thought , hey I'd be lucky to have a woman of this caliber, so I foolishly jumped in before I knew her as well as I should have, and did the whole big family, big wedding, big production, and then my 2 kids from a previous marriage start having kids, they love her, my kids love her, our big family's love each other.... problem is we don't really love each other. We have very little in common! Very big problem, especially because of the grand kids, (now their parents are splitting up and we are the only solid relationship they can count on). yeah,.... solid, thats what they think anyway, hell..... everybody does and I just don't have it in me to break it off right now, I love these kids to death! but maybe when the kids are older? I don't know. We may still be able to salvage some kind of half-ass happy living situation out of it for now, but as you can see at this point in my life having a biger Dick is not at the top of my list. In fact I didn't even get the implant for that reason, it was to stretch out more skin to have some glans coverage for better sensitivity, which didn't work of course! Appreciate the chance to talk about it Boston, this probably should have been in a PM, since its not what this forum is about, but, It was nice to get it out (for me) sorry guys.
Yeah I know 56 is NOT that old! and believe me, I sure as hell hope I have some good days ahead of me sexually speaking, but not right now, who knows what the future may bring. I may well be back to visit the PMMA idea in the future. wish you and all the great guys here the best, I know I will be checking in occasionally and maybe even contributing some. Take care for now

Hey Mark, good to see you here again and it sound like you penis is ok after the Removal...

And good luck to Bostonman for a complete recovery....

@RogueTrader: sounds like Dr. Alter and Dr. Solomon said pretty much the same things. Glad the doggy style tip is working well for you, and that you have your length back! I've also been enjoying missionary with me standing in front of the bed with her legs over my shoulders (it takes bending my knees to accommodate for the angle). Any positions you are able to recommend to me with the new angle?

Question about the scar tissue: have you gradually noticed it filling in areas left deflated by the absence of the implant? For example, when Flaccid before stretching the base towards the pubic area seems a little thinner than the shaft above it. This area fills in after stretching or when I have an Erection, but I'm wondering if the scar tissue will fill that area in when Flaccid? What is the consistency of the new scar tissue (hard, soft, etc.)? Does the new scar tissue differ much from the capsule from an external and internal penile point of view?

Hi BostonMan,

I am having to lay off the stretching and Hanging for a few days. I have irritated the glands. Seems it is easy to get too much tension and friction from the devices..
As far as the capsule, i.e. scar tissue, present post implant Removal... I got PMMA 3 months after Removal to make it look better Flaccid, not so much for Erect Girth which was still significant post implant. I have some wrinkles that have been there since the grafts were removed, pre implant. Also the most notable thing is that the skin of the shaft behind the glands above the circ line is fixed in place. It does not move toward the glads at all. Dr C tried to loosen it with the cannula but could not.
Is the collagen formed from PMMA different in the scar tissue? I hope the PMMA is not actually stimulating the formation of more scar tissue. My penis is awfully firm still, even Flaccid. I hope that it is not going to limit my length gains from stretching.






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@Rogue, sorry for the delay in my response....I haven't been on this site in a while. How have you been doing lately? Is the Flaccid state normalizing? How is your length?


Update on me at 3 months out: I seem to have regained all of my original EL (5.7"), as well as having made a slight gain which sometimes reaches 6"! I had been having issues with the Autoextender (in consistently getting blisters on the glans), and took a break from it. My routine has consisted of two daily manual stretches (2 sets apiece) occurring as soon as I wake up and before going to sleep. I pump every other day, and take a break from the entire routine on weekends. Today, I'm adding the Autoextender back into the routine and hope this will continue my gains beyond my original length!I've maintained the capsule/scar-tissue from the implant, and have been building up additional scar tissue in the area left barren by the removed implant. So far, it hasn't been a major obstacle although my wife occasionally complains about an edge of scar tissue (not a big deal with the application of lube). Girth has maintained at 5.5" (about the same Girth I had with the first implant).I can honestly say that as of the realization I had reached 6" EL that I am happy with my Dick. I will of course keep stretching/pumping/extending for at least one year from the implant Removal (which is when the collagen will have fully matured) in order to maximize what I have, but I count myself as lucky that my penis is in the shape it is after the disastrous mistake of getting Elist's implant (not once, but twice). Far better men than me have endured worse results. It's been difficult to stick with this, but the sex has been more than motivating: seeing her eyes roll to the back of her head, and hearing her moan how I'm longer AND wider makes me feel like the king of the jungle!Thank you Messageman! Your advice has been a life saver.

Hi BostonMan,
Glad you have regained. I wish I could say I am regaining lost length but it doesn't seem to be happening yet. At least not Erect and not to any significant and sustainable degree.
I wear an ADS even at night with the bed frame attachment. I hang a 10 pound weight and wear it around the house when home. I can avoid blisters by always using anti-fluid tape.
I had the Elist dildo for over three and a half years. Had it removed in November 2012 and then had PMMA in February of this year.
I wonder if the capsule/scar tissue that formed during that time is preventing gains? Also is the collagen growth stimulated by the PMMA contributing as well?
Any thoughts appreciated.