TOPIC: Major Changes Ahead

cheers! taking zero for granted for sure.

aleksk: you do good work here. dont blackhole mate. a forum as big as this, with so much psyche everywhere, we're gonna flare up and disagree from time to time.

ll wrote: Although I'm new to this forum I was an active member of PEGym and Thunders years ago and have done manual, stretching and pumping routines. I was banned from PEGym for speaking out on possible dangers of jelquing, and I was actually quoting a Urologist who believed manual PE could work, but just warning about the danger of jelqiing. Over the years I've periodically been researching the best/safest methods for increasing Girth (a common desire) and I find this site invaluable.

So, when you're deleting posts if there is any way possible to leave at least an indication of the "outcomes they aren't happy with" (as hoddle10 mentions above) that would really be useful. People need to know what to expect from any procedure, positive and negative, so if there's a way to remove the neurotic/depressing stuff while still leaving any valuable *facts* that would be great.

Thanks to S.0. and the moderators and vets who've contributed very useful information.

~LL

I'll do my absolute best to keep intact pertinent information. As mentioned in one of my previous replies, I believe the availability of "negative" reporting (i.e. complications, reports of dissatisfaction, etc) are invaluable and that I will make a distinction between "negative reporting" and "reporting with negativity."

Great move. (clapping)

CPW wrote: SO:

You've done a great job creating and maintaining this forum. It's helped me and so many others. I appreciate all you've done a lot. It's changed my life. Bottom line: Whatever you decide it's all good in my mind.

Should you sell it to the highest bidder? That's a really good question. For example, if someone offered you a $1M then I'd say "Take the money and run". You owe us nothing. We all owe you tho.

My hope would be that somehow you get the forum cleaned up and continue to run it so others like me can benefit from the knowledge you've created here.

Thanks again,
CPW

From day #1 I've taken pride in not only refusing any sort of "deal" (although none has ever been extended to me by any physician), but in making it a point that this forum was free of affiliation and agenda. The very reason this forum (well Version 1.0 at Phalloplasty.proboards.com) was made was because I was bothered by how information at MyNewSize (a now defunct PE site) was being controlled, censored, and ultimately sold to the highest bidder (Dr. Elist at the time). It really bothered me that there wasn't a free-flow of information and that my information about the quality or effectiveness of a procedure came from the doctor's office and not necessarily by reliable first-hand accounts.

And as time has gone on (site's inception Fall of 2010), I've maintained that. But viewership has skyrocketed, costs have gone up, and I personally have little reason to dwell on penis enlargement nowadays. That's why it doesn't help that when I DO log in, I'm inundated with a sort-of spoiled negativity that is becoming increasingly pervasive. That's my observation, from someone who's been around here for about as long as...well...day 1.

Someone did bring up "moral" obligations of sorts...and the most important is to have never sold out, putting countless men at risk traveling down the wrong paths...they never imagined a group of guys would come together with no financial incentive and create a message board that expels physician propaganda & shilling. I would almost certainly not sell my forum to the most notorious and unscrupulous physicians this message board's ever known. But for $1M, I may have to re-consider lol

SO I applaud the responses you gave. It's your forum run it as you see fit.

What I want to know if Aleksk had so many members talking to him over the years, and thats 4 years at least, how since 2012 does he have only 118 posts. And to that point none of that was shared in open forum for all to benefit as he claims stuff should be. He want's you to be transparent but is not willing to do the same.

I call that hypocrisy in my book

Let him go start his own forum that he can share his procedure with others, since he didn't want to share it here. Then he can run it as a democracy if he chooses to.

Clean house and get the dead weight off the ship so to speak.

Yes, I read the negative reports. Darkstaff was the only 100% negative report ... about a few weeks before I went in, jonthomas and one other guy (jewdub - who changes his name a lot) had negative results - all had 30% which is why I had 10%. So, I read them and adjusted accordingly. I'll turn my PMs on. You're right, I don't read all the posts here anymore. In general, I find it too depressing to read bizarre whiny stories from guys with 5.5" Girth perfect dicks. Also, I agree with S.O about some people - who have "one Nodule" and act like its stage 5 cancer. I was PMing with one (yungwildfree23) about his Nodule that Reed took out and then now he has a (gasp) gap at the base! I just told him I couldn't talk to him anymore - as his issues about the "gap" were so minimal that his comments were becoming ridiculous. So, as you can see, yes, I am equally annoyed when people have meltdowns over nothing. What I have been is not in this category, however. And I just wanted to make sure that was clear to everyone (and if it's not, then all of my posts can go).

I should also point out - there seems to be no negative view (or awareness) of people who have gone obsessively overboard in their pursuit of a large Dick. That's just as abnormal and irritating to watch. I never complained about it because it has been going on since the inception of this forum & really didn't seem like my place to complain. It skews the perception of what is normal when people are so vocal about being over 6" in Girth or even 7" (and actually achieve it from 5+ rounds) and makes PMMA seem a lot safer than it is. To prove my point, Sizemic was well aware of this and stopped posting pics because he didn't want to influence other people or mess with their perceptions of what normal is (he stated this verbatim). He was pretty self aware of this phenomenon which many other of the huge members are not. So, this may go both ways once you want to start deleting posts of people who seem obsessive, irritating, and not representative of typical outcomes.

Apparently I have missed some things in the past few weeks so if I overreacted, then I apologize - but my sex life has been non-existent since round 3 and having constant open wounds and reconstructive surgeries has been pretty hellish for 1+ years. So, the perception that I fell in the "crazy and neurotic" bucket after everything I have been through pissed me off. I WISH this was in my head and I was crazy and neurotic.

Skeptical One wrote:
It makes me immature because I choose not to tolerate a climate of headcases? You know, you said it yourself, you wouldn't be the one who wants to do it. But if you were the one to do it yourself, the proper analogy wouldn't be the kid who cries when he strikes out, but instead, the umpire to strikes the crying kid out.

And the only reason why I've been reiterating "my" ownership of the site recently (and mostly isolated to this thread) is because of recent comments implying how I'm out of place when making decisions for my own forum...sometimes people forget this isn't a democracy. If you didn't figure out why I've been constantly reiterating this, you need to re-read this thread.

Mind if I ask though, to you specifically...if I choose to "take my ball and go home," and pull the plug on this site now, how would you feel? I mean life goes on, this is just another forum after all.

Isolated to this thread, except for the discussion regarding making certain aspects of the site pay to access. What I find sort of odd about the situation, is when most of the time you maintain a "bro" like personality, but recently you are back to the "take by ball and go home" personality. I get it, we have nutjobs on the forum. Handle them, fine. But no need to rub it in everyone else's face that we are on "your forum". It's just off putting. Especially for those of us who have been here for a few years. In fact, I think the core members on here, would need no explanation for changes on here. No need to debate shit with people that have been here for a few weeks. I'd find it unfortunate if this board were to close. To be honest though, I'm not frequenting this nearly as much as before. I enjoyed the comradely, before. Now the site is devolving, and fast....

@Restoration, we aren't talking about a single poster. In the last year or so we've seen a dramatic rise in very odd posting. Obviously you feel as if it's about you, which probably suggests you haven't been reading other post in recent weeks!

I tried to PM you to give you a great example of what we are talking about, but your PM's are disabled.

Thebeast, all you've written in your former post I summarized as "don't let it go to your head ..." However, SO has answered eloquently to all the points raised, thus, it's better to let-off this thread and go on as it will be.

Reklaw wrote: Skeptical One, when I get PMMA am I allowed to post and share my experience with everyone? I am pretty much depressed and neurotic all the time so I was thinking this maybe rules me out?

Lol don't know if you're being serious but if you're neurotic and depressed you should neither be getting PMMA or visiting this forum. There are other avenues, PhalloBoards isn't one of them.

This forum has shown its propensity for support, both moral & emotional. But we aren't a substitute for a visit to a mental health professional.

And what you see on the forum is only but a part of the madness that has brewed on these forums. The kind of things I hear about behind the scenes in emails and PMs with myself and/or other Moderators, etc. Did you know that one of our members ended up committing murder and blamed his botched procedure for his state-of-mind? Not sure if I should have revealed that publicly, but this isn't a time to be making jokes if that's what you're doing.

This forum is becoming increasingly unhealthy. Before the advent of PMMA, for below-average & average sized men to attain circumferences of 5.5" - 6.0" was a dream, a rare feat, a wild forum success story (think Thunders, PEGym, the now-defunct MyNewSize). Now people throw around 6.0" - 7.0" girths like it's the new standard. Do you realize how insane that is? We've warped our standard and perception of size and have become sucked into this mental trap of chasing numbers and never being satisfied. If you can't entertain this site with a level-head, you shouldn't be here at all quite frankly.

SO- I absolutely appreciate what you have done, and what you do for the community. I wouldn't want to be the one to do it. I feel like even in the last year I've noticed how much this forum has devolved. I've got to say though, a lot of your recent posts, when it comes to changing this board have made you come off like the kid who cries when he strikes out, and takes his baseball home. The "my board, me, me me, I, I, I, It's mine," shit, makes you come off as immature. We get it, you contribute a lot to this community and this board wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you; there is no need to point this out every single post. Either take your ball and go home, or play ball.

btw, if a guy has dysmorphia or insecurity issues, being 7.0 or being 5.5 makes no difference.

@Restoration

I'll echo what Hoddle said, this thread wasn't aimed at any particular poster.

But I can't help but be honest and at the very least point out how your response is the kind of thing I'm trying to work on ending. You just reiterated everything we already know about your situation and did so at length. You read this thread and you instantly felt that it was about you (which it is not, it is not about any one single person). Isn't that in itself a bit strange?

I've begged members to share all reporting, good & bad! And I get the need to vent & grief. But sometimes the tone becomes so depressing that it's hard to digest the information as time goes on.

Look, these aren't isolated cases, it's becoming a common trend. And this new forum policy isn't up for debate, its more-or-less an announcement. I hate seeing some of my favorite posters disappear because they can no longer stand the climate on these forums. This forum needs to return to research gathering and straight-forward dialog.

Again, grieving & venting are understandable...but when it permeates one's thread and postings, and it becomes a tolerated commonplace mentality, it just kills the-once-positive vibe this forum had.

S.O. owes nobody anything. (He started out at 3.5" Girth mind you)

If the forum disappeared tmrw, I wouldn't blame him.

The amount of sad-sack sob stories on here is pretty insane. Having a small Dick fucking sucks and I know it. I live it everyday. But I grit my teeth and lace up my boots everyday.. I suffer from depression and angst over it. I just work harder. If I was born 20 years ago, I'd be fucked. No options. Now I'm so thankful there is.

The thing that blows my mind is how sometimes a worthy thread can get little to no attention, while some crazy person comes on here talking about nonsense and everybody will come out of the woodwork to chime in.

I experienced it only after my third round of 30% (first 2 rounds also full rounds of 30%, everything felt normally squishy after those rounds). But round 3, now half my Dick is rock hard when Flaccid

I didn't realize it got that bad for you too. Sorry to hear that. This is what happened to me, exactly. I still have a few of those rock hard lumps in there but the majority were taken out (lots of size lost - the doc couldn't really separate the hard stuff from the softer stuff). Did you find anything to help it or did you have any surgical consults to take it out - or are you ok with it? Do you have any idea why this happened? To date, i still have no clue other than I thought it was a product defect based on the pathology showing so much PMMA and few human cells... but perhaps that's not it.

Not to derail... sorry... just curious smalljay, you can PM me too.