TOPIC: LONG TERM PMMA SIDE EFFECTS

Good to hear from you Smalljay
Glad to hear you haven't been imprisoned for murdering Dr Cho ? although he does deserve a good slap

jmanning wrote: @Mustang2020 just for the record mustang I, in no way shape or form want to discourage or instill fear in anyone that is considering PMMA. I just wanted some opinions as I myself personally would like to move forward with Dr C. Ive already spoken to wade and ran this information from said DR past him... I know you've had PMMA for quite some time now. how long exactly has it been since your first procedure? btw appreciate your opinion..

what did Wade say about the other Mexican Dr's comments?

I have had the 1st session about 2.5 years ago now. So far, knock on wood, no complications apart from some aesthetic issues that I hope will be fixed in my next round.

whos is the member who had it done for 2 decades until today?

Holy shit ! I think someone really need to confront him with those kind of results this product really dont designed for the human body.. we must admit the fact that currently there is no effective and without dangerous way to enlarge our penis the shit alwayes float in the end if it's matter of months or years that's the painful trurh our only hope is to wait for the science development...

To be fair, number, we all do this.
Scientists do this. Protocol is this, for decades at a time, and then they're all, actually, that was a shit system, we do this now. Everyone that still prescribes to the old method is regarded as a fucking idiot now, obviously it was wrong all along, duh.

You are right though. But imagine going in and they're all like, 'Well, we don't really know that much about this whole endeavour, it's trial and error and we learn as we go, so pants down, postitive thinking'......


I can see why they bullshit. Honesty would be grand but scary.

Read the posts by fran_berlin who had pmma in 2007 and had it removed in 2012. He said this:


""The dermatologist and the surgeon, before the operation, both told me it seems it is something not bad (no cancer) but after the analysis from the laboratory from the tissue, the surgeon told me the tissue had characterictics towards what it known to be a possibility to be develop as a cancer
but after he told not to worry""


The collagen growth is an immune response to a foreign body (the implant). The collagen forms a capsule and fibrosis in an attempt to make a wall between the foreign body and the pmma. No one knows what that will do to the body after 5 or more years. See www.journalofdst.org/Journal/pdf/Septemb...OL-2-5-SYM3-WARD.pdf

Of course Wade has not seen blood flow issues. He has not seen any cases more than 3 or 4 years old. When complications occur, guys are not flying back to TJ. They see serious we'll-trained first world doctors for treatment.

Too many guys on this board think that the friendliness of Dr C and staff is a substitute for professional judgment. Dr C shows poor professional judgment. ( I don't question he is skillful with a cannula but that is not the exercise of good judgment in using pmma) He gives guys 30% pmma to meet their wishes rather than assessing their safety.he does this despite his own professional doubts. He modifies techniques by trial and error. Think about that. He is totally out of step with the rest of the medical community...literally thousands of doctors. Dr C has a history of using all kinds of injectable products that he later abandons. He's reckless.

Musky wrote: When complications occur, guys are not flying back to TJ. They see serious we'll-trained first world doctors for treatment. Too many guys on this board think that the friendliness of Dr C and staff is a substitute for professional judgment. Dr C shows poor professional judgment. ( I don't question he is skillful with a cannula but that is not the exercise of good judgment in using PMMA) He gives guys 30% PMMA to meet their wishes rather than assessing their safety.he does this despite his own professional doubts. He modifies techniques by trial and error. Think about that. He is totally out of step with the rest of the medical community...literally thousands of doctors. Dr C has a history of using all kinds of injectable products that he later abandons. He's reckless.

I agree with parts of this, but not all.

If you'd had experience with PE related problem, you'd be less enthusiastic about "serious well trained first world doctors." They are very rarely interested in investigating these type of things and would much rather simply cut things out. Why go to the effort of researching a product and take the risk of giving the wrong advice or diagnosis, when it is much easier to simply cut it out? It doesn't matter where you go in the world, I bet as long as the Dr isn't responsible for the initial problem, he'll feel totally justified in doing surgery and expect the patient to simply accept the consequences that come with it.

In my personal opinion I agree that Dr C shows poor professional judgement at times.

Modifying technique by trial and error is totally normal, so this is an unfair criticism. However, I wish he would be much more conservative in how he does this and not charge the full amount, as clearly he hasn't got his procedure to where he wants it to be yet. I bet with a few months of conservative experimentation and much better tracking of results, he could start to get much more consistent results.

He's not way out of step with the rest of the medical community. In countries where a patent for PMMA isn't held, it's a very popular procedure. To think that it wouldn't be used routinely in America if it wasn't for Artefil is naive.

He doesn't have a history of abandoning all kinds of injectable products. Why say he does? It sounds like you just made this up. He was one of the Dr's who promoted the discontinuation of Bio Alcamid as the complication rates were higher than those shown in the studies. He was using it to treat HIV treatments who had facial wasting. As I understand it, when it became apparent that the complication rates were higher than what had been reported, he was at the forefront of the campaign against the product. But literally thousands of Dr's around the world were similarly mislead, including Mr Viel, a well known plastic surgeon here in the UK that is often mentioned on the board.

In my opinion, I kind of also agree that he is reckless. Actually maybe "reckless" is over the top, but I do think he isn't cautious enough.

In my opinion Advocates result is not much different to 90% of results we've seen in the penis. His might have got worse over time, but he'd have had far less injected.

But you can't really compare facial injections with this into the fascia of the penis. Even more so if the facial patient has lipoatrophy. If you take the most aesthetic looking penis result and applied it to the face, then it would look terrible in my opinion. My friend Mikehok has several lumps in his penis years after PMMA, but he can only feel them if he actively goes looking for them as they are deep under the fascia. Yet we've both commented that if the same lumps were in the dermis of the face he''d feel . Even Sizemic, who is arguably seen as the poster boy of PMMA, mentions several irregularities.

Basically the lumps and irregularities we see reported here all the time are going to be several times worse in terms of being noticeable to both sight and feel when injected into the dermis of the face, than in the penis. If we take Restoration as an example, his PMMA seemed to stick to the skin, as if it wasn't injected deep enough. That's what facial injections are like. Plus there are more immune cells in the dermis.

In my opinion PMMA or any permanent filler is a terrible option for the face. Actually, it's a terrible option for all body parts. But with regards to the penis, it's only competing with other terrible options, which isn't the case with the face. I understand why people with facial lipoatrophy would be enticed by the long term and lower cost of PMMA, but there are much less risky alternatives. With the penis there really aren't any good options. Hence, only consider a PE procedure if you are absolutely desperate and then don't get greedy and take a conservative approach.

@hoodle10- your considering injecting voluma yourself?!!!! wow thats brave... whats stopping you?

@Hans- thanks for your feedback hans. sorry to hear that your experiencing such bad
side effects. How long has it been since your first PMMA procedure? did you go to dr
casavanties? i know i woman that had injections for buttocks enhancements and she
kept getting sick because her body was rejecting the silicon. she eventually had to have
the silicon painstakingly removed. Im hoping mustang, gsxr, & some other senior members
can chime in on this discussion....

Juvederm voluma just got FDA approval in the USA (unanimously) so it'll be available for regular facial use here soon...and I think the approval signals that it's a pretty good filler (at least in the face). European before & after pics look great.

HIV patients have different reactions to filler. Sculptra was originally intended for them, and it worked fine. When the same dose and concentration was given to people with normal immune systems, there were more problems. A few doctors have published papers on this issue. The immune system is incredibly complicated - sometimes someone w/ HIV can overreact which sounds paradoxical...and biofilm infections are more prevalent with HIV- patients (but there are more hiv- patients than +)

This is an interesting article from a well known filler doc (he's not a PMMA fan though btw):

www.huffingtonpost.com/arnold-william-kl...ollies_b_410987.html

@olafspo ... yes we get that but what member are you talking about that had PMMA done for 2 decades now?

@xiaflexed i just read darkstaff post about having his PMMA removed. im thinking that how well ones body reacts to PMMA is on an individual basis. i think im going to actually get PMMA in another part of my body first to see how my body reacts to it. if all goes well thereafter ill take the plunge. till then Ill probably look into the voluma.

Yeah that's true. Sculptra was pretty bad too until they revised the dilution ratio. Even the "benign" ones like Restylane can cause lumps but those dissolve with an enzyme.

I believe Dr. C and Wade have fillers (likely PMMA) in their faces, so they took the same risk...right? Bio alcaid was way worse across the board.


By the way, lipo Atrophy can look pretty bad even without filler so it would be informative to see a before photo rather than this hit and run kind of post. When he was still on here, I sent him a message and then he closed his browser immediately. So i am taking this with a grain of salt given what chad has been posting. I posted real complications and answered questions. If you want to post to scare people - and run away when they have questions then you can suck my crooked lumpy Dick frankly.

Attached - two men with NO filler and facial wasting

I'm no expert on medical topics, and much of what you say is understandable. But I don't necessarily think the first world medical associations are always up to speed. They still can't admit that cannabis/marijuana has any medicinal value...I've seen first hand that it has helped for multiple aging family members. I don't trust when they (or any branch of the government) tells me something isn't good for me. I second guess and try to do my own research.

Yobinzay wrote: Holy shit ! I think someone really need to confront him with those kind of results this product really dont designed for the human body.. we must admit the fact that currently there is no effective and without dangerous way to enlarge our penis the shit alwayes float in the end if it's matter of months or years that's the painful trurh our only hope is to wait for the science development...

Well I ve got a little more than 100cc's of 30% from Dr. N.

I am quite happy with the results. My Flaccid look is almost perfect ( I ve got a little turkey neck, which does not come from PMMA ) My Erect look is ok. It looks a bit special as I do have a small glans and when I pinch the PMMA with my fingers I can feel that there are some nodules, but in my case they are not as small as f. ex. Restoration's but its more like all my PMMA is like a harder, squishy Nodule. On my left side it is softer than on my right side though. I might wanna try DMSO. I m just scared that maybe I ll ned up with a worse result than I have now. While Erect it is noticable because I am uncut and during a tight Handjob uncut penises have a lot more skin that is moved up and down, and as you know the PMMA moves with the skin.