--- title: "The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "This is amazing, this is not American, or may be it is. He seems to be protected by the medical/legal system some how. Patients... - Page 4" url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/6195095-the-contiuing-lies-of-elist-and-his-practice-about-his-silicone-implant-will-it-end.html?start=45" date: "2026-08-06T16:09:23+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276868013](#1276868013) - **[Bigben](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1930204-bigben.html "View Bigben's Profile")** - [![Bigben's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1930204-bigben.html "View Bigben's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1930204-bigben.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 241 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1930204) Hang in there MC I hope you can get it removed soon and return to a more normal sex life. FWIW, I would not have censored your ending comments !! Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276798126](#1276798126) - **[hoddle10](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > stalemango wrote: These days, penis size doesn't even matter to me anymore. I'd love to be able to feel like that! Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276928947](#1276928947) - **[dcpimpin12](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile")** - [![dcpimpin12's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 316 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1982119) > JazzyJ wrote: Thanks dcpimp, but I dont see anything on there for scar tissue removal or anything to do with corrective penile surgery/scar tissue removal. well since i dont know what part of the east coast u are in i am sending u the scar removal list of doctors [ www.realself.com/Scars/info](http://www.realself.com/Scars/info) im sure u not going to find a case of penile surgery scar tissue removal but im sure if they can get rid of any type of scars u would just have to email the doctor and explain ur situation. hope that helps. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276926133](#1276926133) - **[dcpimpin12](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile")** - [![dcpimpin12's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 316 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1982119) a perfect site for scars removal surgery is [ realself.com](http://realself.com) just click on the type of surgery u interested and the state close to u and u will find reviews from patients of doctors that went through the surgey. hope that helps. > JazzyJ wrote: > hoddle10 wrote: I never knew Jazzy was "Motion in the ocean." I remember the day he took his bandage off and discovered the scar along his shaft. He went out and bought a camera just to show the forum. Unbelievably the Elist shills praised the Dr's ingenuity and somehow Elist came out of it smelling of roses. To me it looked like he just accidentally ripped the shaft skin during surgery and came out with some ridiculous excuse for it. > > > > I was the one who posted the Silicone Disaster photos. Within minutes I got a PM from Chad pretending to be interested, but really he was just fishing for reasons to ban me and lock the thread. > > > > I've still got the photos if anyone's interested. Silicone Disaster is a friend of Smartmans. Hopefully he can let us know how he's doing now. > > > > Yeah, thats me, "Motion In Ocean", known as JazzyJ on here.......I couldnt believe Elist stuck the implant through my penis instead of my pubic area.I was devastated when I saw that. No where on his site does he mention about the implant being inserted through a sliced up penis. I have scar tissue that I would like to get rid of & cleared up....... > > Elist took out my implant in one of his rooms at his office, yes, I said his office. Talk about being unprofessional. He even had one of the secretaries come in & help him out. Thats right, I had that young women he had in their standing over me & helping Elist. Thank goodness he shot me up with some really good pain meds. The thing is tho he didnt sew me up after he cut me in the pubic area to take out the implant but he did bandage me up. > > Thing is, when I took the bus to my hotel, I had blood trickling down my leg. I couldnt believe WTF was going on but I was still pretty high from the pain meds. > > Now I just want to get rid of my scar tissue & get back to stretching. > > That Chad clown from the other site also stole my $250 for a stretching mechanism I purchased & I never received anything.........so is life! > > Anyone know of any good surgeons on the East Coast for scar tissue removal? Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276798395](#1276798395) - **[messageman](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html "View messageman's Profile")** - [![messageman's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1722700.jpg?1309009799)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html "View messageman's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 738 - Thanks: 10 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1722700) > stalemango wrote: > carljohnson wrote: That makes sense...thanks for explaining. Safe travels. > > > Thank you, sir, I arrived safely. > > Mustang2020 wrote: SM, I wish you the best of luck with your upcoming healing. Please keep us informed if you so wish. > > > > The problem with elist is that he lies about many problems with his implant, before he puts it in and after he removes it. So far, I think about, again "about", 100% of people who had his implant and reported here have had it removed....you are the last one I know of. > > > I thought about starting a progress report, but everything has already been said. Yours was a great read and will undoubtedly assist me with the next step. Thank you! > > We discussed some of the dynamics regarding the people that message boards attract. 'mjralph33' was another member who was satisfied, but he stopped posting. I disappeared for a couple of years because life was great. I had a big penis and I was enjoying it. Notwithstanding, your point is valid: the overwhelming majority of people who opted for the implant here have had it removed. > > messageman wrote: When I was going through the turmoil of having my implant removed, I remember how thankful I was to Dr. Elist for helping me (to remove it)...completely forgetting that it was he who lied and tricked me into getting it in the first place. I liken the feeling I had for for him to the "Stockholm Syndrome"...This is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness. It was only months afterwards I realized how mistreated I was and dare to post about it. I was also very worried to breathe a negative word about him or the procedure through the whole process (from the implant being put it) to the crisis of infection and having it removed, for fear of retribution. Simply, he was the only man in the world basically who knew how to treat it and, if need be, remove it. I don't write the following lightly: The man is a sociopath and must be stopped. He has permanently injured countless men, luring them into this extremely risky procedure with blatant lies. > > > There isn't any Stockholm syndrome going on here, as I am neither defending Dr. Elist nor advocating the implant. I'm simply sharing my experience. When I said some of the criticisms were earned by Dr. Elist, that was me acknowledging the negative experiences. > > You know, messageman, you're one of the few men I would give a complete pass to (and permit me to assure other victims that I genuinely don't mean any disrespect, discourtesy or insensitivity). When you underwent surgery for the implant, you didn't have the resources available to you that a lot of us have now. I have a folder full of posts I saved prior to visiting Dr. Elist. I was on the old forums when: (i) 'silicon disaster' posted his photographs of the implant forcing its way out of the penis (there was literally a hole in the man's penis); (ii) 'Motion of the Ocean' posted photographs of his penis which had an incision on the top of it where the implant was inserted instead of through the pubic area (he suddenly stopped posting and we never heard from him again); (iii) the suture on 'moejondo's' implant popped and he had a sharp edge sticking out (we never heard from him again); and (iv) 'londonlad' expressed criticism of the implant, posted articles backing up his findings and promoted thought provoking discussions only to be silenced by the owners of MNS. I was aware of the infections, cone shape, loss of length, etc. Still yet, I went for the surgery because I accepted those risks. I had the mindset similar to women getting breast implants before the procedure became mainstream. I understood that I may lose feeling similar to women losing feeling in their nipples, that I may need a Revision in several years, that it may be painful, etc. I saw the implant surgery as no different than the drug advertisements you see on television where the manufacturer mentions a laundry list of side effects in small print. Sure, the downsides of the implant are outright brutal; however, when you're as small as I was, and more importantly, screwed up in the head as I was, the surgery was an acceptable risk. There were a lot of influences which caused me to opt for the surgery, but there was never a point when Jack Napier, Dr. Elist or any of my former partners held a gun to my head and told me I needed to have it. Anytime during: (i) my six hour flight, (ii) the day I spent in LA prior to meeting Dr. Elist or (iii) the millennium he had me waiting at the surgery center before he decided to show up, I could have bailed, and I didn't. I didn't want to. > > My main beef with Dr. Elist was the lack of post-surgical instruction. Had I not had the forums with access to the many members who had the surgery previously, I would have been scared to death. THANK GOODNESS FOR THE FORUMS (I'll donate shortly because men NEED resources such as this one to make an informed decision)!! While I had access to all of the phone numbers and e-mails to get in contact with Dr. Elist and his assistant, a heads up would about the pain, swelling and bleeding would have been most appreciated. As an example, I wasn't aware that I would have a drain until after I woke up and saw it. I didn't even know what it was. That was my fault, as I should have done more research regarding post-surgical care, but I was so obsessed with the thought of having a big penis that I never even considered it (I never had a real surgery before). I didn't know about the shower head my penis turned into after urinating, the wrapping requirement or the ring of pain around the front of my shaft after climaxing for the first few months. When I was at his office filling out the forms prior to surgery, he had me initial a list of potential downsides which can occur as a result of the surgery (I don't remember if I saw that form three years ago). He also told me about length loss before I even asked him about it. Should he take more time to explain the procedure and its downsides? Yes, definitely! Considering his haste, the patients who opt for his implant without performing the necessary due diligence are in for quite the surprise. > > After everything I've been through these last couple of years (i.e., the positive experiences with the ladies and downsides of the implant), there isn't a thing I would change; however, that reveals more about me than Dr. Elist. I thought about going for the new implant (surprisingly, Dr. Elist never mentioned it to me), but I decided to have it removed and see how my penis was instead (i.e., whether or not I'll retain any Girth (Dr. Elist said I would)). These days, penis size doesn't even matter to me anymore. We definitely go back Stale Mango...Wow, we both remember "Motion in the ocean"...You know he posts here sometimes under the name the name "jazzyj" I believe. He had his implant removed and other than the fact that he lost some length, he seems to be doing alright. That "silicon disaster" posting happened the same month I had my implant put in....I was in the same mind frame as you though...Full steam ahead! Regarding that Stockholm syndrome analogy...It was aimed at myself more than other members on the board. I apologize if you took it as some kind of jab at you...That definitely was not my intention, though I can see how you might assume so. You seem to be in a very good frame of mind now...The fact that you don't worry about penis size anymore is a triumph upon itself. And regarding how much Girth you will be able to retain...I was able to retain 3/4 of an Inch from the leftover capsule, and motion (from his report) was able to retain almost an Inch (if I am not mistaken). Best of luck...and I look forward to your updates! Messageman Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1277480123](#1277480123) - **[Microphoncheck](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1984307-microphoncheck.html "View Microphoncheck's Profile")** - [![Microphoncheck's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1984307-microphoncheck.html "View Microphoncheck's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1984307-microphoncheck.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 49 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1984307) I have no idea about StaleMango... Hope he's doing okay. The stitching is looking considerably better. Looks nasty so ive been playing with the idea of using scaraway strips. Anyone used hear with any success? Hoping I do regain my length, it's a sad sight right now. Going to start Hanging soon as i just got the bib. Also, the doc has told me to stretch 6-8hrs a day but everything I read says take it slower than that. Plus my fella is so friggin sore right now I haven't been able to stretch or jelq for the past 3 days. I also have this air pocket that seems to be stuck in the top where the implant was and little to no feeling on the top of the head of my penis. Does the air pocket go away and will I regain sensation in my penis? Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276926664](#1276926664) - **[messageman](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html "View messageman's Profile")** - [![messageman's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1722700.jpg?1309009799)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html "View messageman's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 738 - Thanks: 10 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1722700) > JazzyJ wrote: He had told me there wasnt much room in the pubic area to fit the implant through. Because after he inserted the implant through my penis, there was no entry at all through my pubic area. The guy is a total wack job, thats for sure. He acts like youre going through a drive up window & youre asking for a Big Mac. Thats how fast he talks.......I should have known better & just walked out & lost my $1,000 deposit but like others, we were so hyped up about getting the implant in. So the doctor said there was no entry through the pubic bone? If so, he should have just not put the implant in, like any sane doctor. I remember your case. We had the surgery around the same time. And If I remember correctly, you actually posted pictures on the MNS board , asking other members why there were stitches on your shaft. You were as scared as hell. Dr. Elist never even explained to you what happened immediately after the surgery. All he said when you asked how it went was, "you didn't have much to work with". What a nightmare...And can you believe he is still continuing his campaign of carnage four years later? I would love to know if there is even one guy with the implant still in from that board. Dr. Elist claims "minimal" complications"? What does he consider a complication? Death? Anyway JazzyJ ( You'll always be 'Motion' to me), it sounds like you are doing ok. Good luck with that scar tissue situation! Messageman Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1277406674](#1277406674) - **[thehulk](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2015344-thehulk.html "View thehulk's Profile")** - [![thehulk's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2015344-thehulk.html "View thehulk's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2015344-thehulk.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 480 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2015344) Im sorry to hear your troubles. I wish you best brother. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1277047765](#1277047765) - **[Microphoncheck](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1984307-microphoncheck.html "View Microphoncheck's Profile")** - [![Microphoncheck's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1984307-microphoncheck.html "View Microphoncheck's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1984307-microphoncheck.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 49 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1984307) And yes, I've read nearly every post out there on this board and every other google could find over the past year and i know my friend messageman: it's a marathon, not a race (You're my inspiration by the way!). Maybe i just loosened up some of the scar tissue that was holding it down? The place that ive been most sore is by the tip of my penis under the head where ive been tugging on the glands and this week I've been tugging to the right because when I get an Erection it points straight out but also now a bit to the left... Hoping I can correct that. Still looks like someone else's penis down there but I'm relieved that maybe this is salvageable? I figure while i wait to find someone to take this out (i wont be going back to Elist, he scares the crap out of me) and find the time to perform the Removal I can start to make some recovery and gains prior to the inevitable. Here's to hoping! Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276789210](#1276789210) - **[stalemango](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2037809-stalemango.html "View stalemango's Profile")** - [![stalemango's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2037809-stalemango.html "View stalemango's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2037809-stalemango.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 11 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2037809) I met with Dr. Elist over the last couple of days to have the implant removed. I don't know what the future may hold, but at the moment, I'm extremely satisfied with the service I received. Based on a brief conversation I had with him while he drove me to the hotel after surgery, the man knows his craft. There are a lot of unfavorable opinions on this forum, and given some of the accounts I've read and photographs I've seen, Dr. Elist has rightfully earned some of them; however, since we're mentioning the negatives, I would like to cast a vote in the satisfied column for the doctor. 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Safe travels. Thank you, sir, I arrived safely. > Mustang2020 wrote: SM, I wish you the best of luck with your upcoming healing. Please keep us informed if you so wish. > > The problem with elist is that he lies about many problems with his implant, before he puts it in and after he removes it. So far, I think about, again "about", 100% of people who had his implant and reported here have had it removed....you are the last one I know of. I thought about starting a progress report, but everything has already been said. Yours was a great read and will undoubtedly assist me with the next step. Thank you! We discussed some of the dynamics regarding the people that message boards attract. 'mjralph33' was another member who was satisfied, but he stopped posting. I disappeared for a couple of years because life was great. I had a big penis and I was enjoying it. Notwithstanding, your point is valid: the overwhelming majority of people who opted for the implant here have had it removed. > messageman wrote: When I was going through the turmoil of having my implant removed, I remember how thankful I was to Dr. Elist for helping me (to remove it)...completely forgetting that it was he who lied and tricked me into getting it in the first place. I liken the feeling I had for for him to the "Stockholm Syndrome"...This is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness. It was only months afterwards I realized how mistreated I was and dare to post about it. I was also very worried to breathe a negative word about him or the procedure through the whole process (from the implant being put it) to the crisis of infection and having it removed, for fear of retribution. Simply, he was the only man in the world basically who knew how to treat it and, if need be, remove it. I don't write the following lightly: The man is a sociopath and must be stopped. He has permanently injured countless men, luring them into this extremely risky procedure with blatant lies. There isn't any Stockholm syndrome going on here, as I am neither defending Dr. Elist nor advocating the implant. I'm simply sharing my experience. When I said some of the criticisms were earned by Dr. Elist, that was me acknowledging the negative experiences. You know, messageman, you're one of the few men I would give a complete pass to (and permit me to assure other victims that I genuinely don't mean any disrespect, discourtesy or insensitivity). When you underwent surgery for the implant, you didn't have the resources available to you that a lot of us have now. I have a folder full of posts I saved prior to visiting Dr. Elist. I was on the old forums when: (i) 'silicon disaster' posted his photographs of the implant forcing its way out of the penis (there was literally a hole in the man's penis); (ii) 'Motion of the Ocean' posted photographs of his penis which had an incision on the top of it where the implant was inserted instead of through the pubic area (he suddenly stopped posting and we never heard from him again); (iii) the suture on 'moejondo's' implant popped and he had a sharp edge sticking out (we never heard from him again); and (iv) 'londonlad' expressed criticism of the implant, posted articles backing up his findings and promoted thought provoking discussions only to be silenced by the owners of MNS. I was aware of the infections, cone shape, loss of length, etc. Still yet, I went for the surgery because I accepted those risks. I had the mindset similar to women getting breast implants before the procedure became mainstream. I understood that I may lose feeling similar to women losing feeling in their nipples, that I may need a Revision in several years, that it may be painful, etc. I saw the implant surgery as no different than the drug advertisements you see on television where the manufacturer mentions a laundry list of side effects in small print. Sure, the downsides of the implant are outright brutal; however, when you're as small as I was, and more importantly, screwed up in the head as I was, the surgery was an acceptable risk. There were a lot of influences which caused me to opt for the surgery, but there was never a point when Jack Napier, Dr. Elist or any of my former partners held a gun to my head and told me I needed to have it. Anytime during: (i) my six hour flight, (ii) the day I spent in LA prior to meeting Dr. Elist or (iii) the millennium he had me waiting at the surgery center before he decided to show up, I could have bailed, and I didn't. I didn't want to. My main beef with Dr. Elist was the lack of post-surgical instruction. Had I not had the forums with access to the many members who had the surgery previously, I would have been scared to death. THANK GOODNESS FOR THE FORUMS (I'll donate shortly because men NEED resources such as this one to make an informed decision)!! While I had access to all of the phone numbers and e-mails to get in contact with Dr. Elist and his assistant, a heads up about the pain, swelling and bleeding would have been most appreciated. As an example, I wasn't aware that I would have a drain until after I woke up and saw it. I didn't even know what it was. That was my fault, as I should have done more research regarding post-surgical care, but I was so obsessed with the thought of having a big penis that I never even considered it (I never had a real surgery before). I didn't know about the shower head my penis turned into after urinating, the wrapping requirement or the ring of pain around the front of my shaft after climaxing for the first few months. When I was at his office filling out the forms prior to surgery, he had me initial a list of potential downsides which can occur as a result of the surgery (I don't remember if I saw that form three years ago). He also told me about length loss before I even asked him about it. Should he take more time to explain the procedure and its downsides? Yes, definitely! Considering his haste, the patients who opt for his implant without performing the necessary due diligence are in for quite the surprise. After everything I've been through these last couple of years (i.e., the positive experiences with the ladies and downsides of the implant), there isn't a thing I would change; however, that reveals more about me than Dr. Elist. I thought about going for the new implant (surprisingly, Dr. Elist never mentioned it to me), but I decided to have it removed and see how my penis was instead (i.e., whether or not I'll retain any Girth (Dr. Elist said I would)). These days, penis size doesn't even matter to me anymore. 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I used them for all my surgeries. They stay on even in the shower. They can be dried and used again. I cut them to just cover the scar area. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276932080](#1276932080) - **[hoddle10](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > JazzyJ wrote: > hoddle10 wrote: Dr Solomon in Philly is probably your best bet. He's a plastic surgeon and does penis enlargement. > > > Im gonna check him out Hoddle..........does he come highly recommended? I will look up his information now. I can't personally recommend him, as I've never had any surgery with him. I only know of 3 guys who have had surgery with him. One was happy, one 50/50 and the other unhappy. But they are all enlargement surgeries and the success rate of these are low whatever the procedure or Dr. But you are just after a scar correction and Gary Alter described Solomon as "a good plastic surgeon." I think that's basically what you are looking for, a good plastic surgeon, who is known to work on the penis. Also the guy who was unhappy, did comment that his incisions healed very well. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: The contiuing lies of elist and his practice about his silicone implant, will it end? 13 years 6 months ago [\#1276793587](#1276793587) - **[Mustang2020](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile")** - [![Mustang2020's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 1795 - Thanks: 18 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715850) SM, I wish you the best of luck with your upcoming healing. Please keep us informed if you so wish. The problem with elist is that he lies about many problems with his implant, before he puts it in and after he removes it. So far, I think about, again "about", 100% of people who had his implant and reported here have had it removed....you are the last one I know of. 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Or do I go to any Urologist around my area that can remove scar tissue. I just want the best doctor I can get for this procedure. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNjE5NTA5NS10aGUtY29udGl1aW5nLWxpZXMtb2YtZWxpc3QtYW5kLWhpcy1wcmFjdGljZS1hYm91dC1oaXMtc2lsaWNvbmUtaW1wbGFudC13aWxsLWl0LWVuZC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9NDU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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