TOPIC: PMMA or Belladerm w/ Dr. R?

I thought I'd give an up date on my situation, as over the last few weeks there have been some changes. Well these changes actually started taking place a couple of months ago, but at first I thought I was being paranoid. However, having slept with my ex wife last week, it confirmed I was going crazy and that the top left section of the graft is starting to feel stringy and a small curve is appearing there. I didn't mention to my ex wife that I thought the graft was deteriorating but she noticed and commented anyway.

So there is no way I will be going back for a second graft. To been honest I'm pretty angry, as from what I've read on here over the past few weeks I do now feel as if Dr R lied to me. I also feel pretty stupid. I used to post on MNS under the username of "littewoody." I was quite outspoken at times and dismissive of the choices of others, as I felt that Dr R and Belladerm was by far the best choice. I was firmly in the same camp as another poster called Yardstick and was also inspired by Soma. In the last few weeks I've read that much of Soma's graft absorbed and Yardstick had a terrible experience of losing the graft and length. Today I've been reading about a member called Justave who seems to have similar issues to me. Oh and I'm not a smoker and am in good physical health.

Thanks for sharing, pmmapossibly. Sorry to hear about your losses. I 'am very concerned about seeing my gain$ shrink.

Do you know how thick the Bellderm graft Dr R installed was? 2mm or 3mm & one or two graft sheets layers?

Since I have been a long time pumper I guess I have some extra skin. Dr R is recommending I get 2 graft sheets @ 3mm thick each = 6mm thick. In my consultation, Dr. R told me he was more conservative a few years ago when he started using Belladerm & was using the 2mm thick sheets like the Alloderm.

I agree the PMMA is way too experimental at this stage, for me anyway.. Also the cost of going back 2-3 times or more equals out in price.

But, upon my research of grafts, I've found that grafts have been used successfully in many other reconstructive & cosmetic surgeries. I did find that there are some concerns with re-aborption but, there also seems to be success stories as well. But, of course the data on grafts for PE is very limited. I'm sure there are some guys out there who are NOT happy with their graft then, I think maybe there ARE happy guys out there also. Maybe they just don't want to write about their PE & wanna keep it their secret. Seems like DR. R has been making a good living for years doing this & continues to do them. And I couldn't find any malpractice law suits against him.. Who knows?..

Hi Bones
I had the graft taken from the crease in my buttocks. It absorbed for the first few years a bit, but then it stabilized, leaving me with about an Inch gain. So far it hasn't hardened.
It definitely gave me lots of confidence and improved my sex life dramatically. If you read my thread (Messageman's Journey), Chapter 7 details my graft experience.
I wouldn't do it again because I have read about countless dermal graft failures these last few years. When I did it, it was basically pitched to me that it was almost risk free and guaranteed to be permanent. I now know that doctors are not to be taken at their word.
I consider myself to be very lucky with my outcome.
Best of luck with your decision.

Thanks for the Logical advice, hoddle 10, miracle7.5x6, pmmapossibly, notsureyet82. & sorry for the late response to your replies on this thread.

I'm still feeling probably irrational & overly optimistic about how things could turn out. I want to move forward with PMMA or Bella. But, fortunately this great site has given me an outlet to express feelings on this which I think has helped me take more time in making a decision.

Thanks guys!

Best of luck Bones

Hey Bones, when I mean my results went to crap in less than 48 hours I mean that everything looked fine right after surgery,(which it probably does all the time with most patients immediately after the procedure), but after the second night when I woke up the next morning the Belladerm had moved from it's original position. Hopefully you get what I am saying, the Belladerm didn't just dissapear or anything, it just moved out of place causing everything to look very terrible on top of the nodules that formed. Again that is just my experience.

I'm wondering if Dr.C is capable of somehow numbing the penis so there is no chance for it to move during an Erection? But then again, with PMMA I don't know if the doctor tries to keep the patient from getting night time erections since it is a whole different material? Any of you guys know what the protocol for the PMMA patients are as far as night time erections?

bones wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum, been lurking for a few weeks. I have read through many of the threads about both Belladerm & PMMA. I have been considering Belladerm w/ Dr R for sometime. Until recently seeing post here about PMMA which sounds like a decent option, except one story I saw about Lymph node/ immunity infections. And the idea of having to go to Mexico for this sounds a bit out of my comfort zone, considering the horror stories you here about surgery in Mexico. Still leaning toward Dr. R.. I only see a few dissatisfied with Dr. R here but, suppose he has many happy customers.? Any thoughts or advice greatly appreciated. Thx

Here's the thing about grafts: Over time the graft will probably shrink up, causing your manhood to be shorter. Not only that, but you might get a year or two out of the graft before it dissolves. There may be some graft left, but it will be insignificant, especially for the money and pain that you've endured from surgery.

And PMMA? That's a disaster waiting to happen. I'm sure I'll receive 10 more angry private messages from people who've recieved PMMA, but I could care less. DON'T GET PMMA! If you want to have a Dick for the rest of your life, don't get PMMA. If something were to ever go wrong with PMMA, it will cost at least 10 times more than gettin' PMMA injections to have it removed, and that's a very conservative number. Not only that, but the scar tissue left over from the surgeries will absolutely devastate your junk.

PMMA is no different than silicone other than different ingredients. If you wouldn't get silicone injected in your junk (who in their right mind would?) why in the hell are people gettin' PMMA?

We all want a bigger Dick...that's why we're here. Unfortunately, penis enhancement causes you more problems than you ever had before undergoing PE. It sucks having a small Dick...believe me, I know, mine is tiny. I've posted that mine is 5 inches long with 4.75 Girth but, in reality, I embellished a little. It's really only 4.25 inches long and not even 4 inches in Girth. And I will not undergo PE surgery because it's not worth the pain and problems that come with PE surgery.

Glad to hear, richard. From what I've read you seems totally satisfied w/ Dr. R's work. I've read some of the other post about absorption experiences, I'am concerned about going through all trouble & $$ to see it absorbed but, the idea of going to Mexico for a cosmetic procedure seems crazy after seeing several stories in the News about botched surgeries in Mexico. But, mostly concerned about the health effects of PMMA being injected in the body.

I saw how many pointed that there is a lack of track record w/ Dr. R's results. I would imagine Dr. R must have done hundreds of surgeries to stay in business for so long. I also can imagine many guys probably dont talk about it. I mean, if a guy gets his pecker done with Dr. R and is happy with his New pecker why go online to talk about it & reviews?

I appreciate all advice, comments, insights, support. Thanks guys

Hi lookingforanswers, Sorry to hear about your complications & results. When you say your "results went to crap in less than 48 hours." What exactly happen? I mean, if Belladerm sheets were installed than it couldn't have absorbed in 48 hours, could it? You mention "tissue", which "tissue" was used? Was it a 'dermal graft'? Also, which Dr. did your surgery? I'm just looking for answers also. Thanks!

PMMAPossibly....Thanks for your post... Keep us posted.

I had Belloderm with Dr R in summer 2010. Dr R was great and always helpful, as was Cleo. But overall I'm not sure I'd recommend the surgery.

The recovery is a bitch and combined with the cost I don't think it's worth it for the gains. I was actually very close to booking in for a second graft, but have changed my mind. The reason for this is that I thought my Girth had stabilized as it had been consistently the same for 8 months, but a couple of weeks ago I measure and had lost a further 0.1". This means over 2 years later I only gained 0.4", which for the money and risk, I don't think is worth it.

I was considering PMMA when I joined here, but am still not convinced that it's the right option for me. As I said, I'd since decided to get another Belloderm graft, as I thought I'd my last procedure has stabilized and I was left with a permanent 0.5" gain. But now it's shrunk more and I wouldn't be surprised if it was all gone in a couple of years, so there seems no point in having another graft.

I don't know what to do. I'm 5.2" in Girth now, so I guess it's best not to roll the dice again. But when I first had the Bello I was 5.8" and it felt great being that size.

Bones
I have had a dermal graft that has lasted over 15 years (knock on wood).
That being said, the vast majority of reports on our PE board and others are not this successful. In fact, infection, absorption, retraction, etc are not only only possible, but the norm. If I had to do it over again with the information I have now, I would never have taken the chance.

PMMA is still in its experimental phase. You are taking a significant risk when you choose this course. Still, out of the dozens of men who have chosen this route (PMMA) on this site (PhalloBoards), few have reported serious complications, and most seem pleased with the results (size and aesthetics). These reports are (of course) short term...Long term reports might be a completely different story.

Quantum
You have stated that not only are you a registered nurse, but that you have been working with a plastic surgeon (who uses fillers) for several years. You repeatedly talk about the dangers of PMMA but offer very little substance to back this up. It would truly be beneficial to this board and your own credibility to offer some scientific evidence or even anecdotal evidence to back up your claims.
There is a difference between providing informed advice and fear mongering.

I have had the surgery using tissue instead of PMMA Bones. I didn't use Dr.R, but my results are unbelievably horrible, not sure if that is the case with Dr.R. I was really excited after my procedure and I thought things were going to be fine. The next day I wake up and my results went to crap. I can't remember where I on the forum that I saw one of the surgeons was possibly using botox after the surgery to keep the penis from Turtling or something to avoid complications. I think that might have been Dr.C, but I believe if there was a way to possibly numb the whole lower body after the enlargement procedure that the results would be so much greater. I believe the nightime erections are maybe what have killed some of my results. I don't remember having a nightime Erection after the procedure, but I don't understand how my results could go to crap in less than 48 hours? The problem is it's not like you can constantly stay awake looking and trying to feel for if you are getting an Erection, lol.

Hoddle10 you are 100% right, I've already made up my mind & I'm doing biased research looking for the answers I wanna hear. And like you notsureyet82, I have a psychological problem about my penis that I'm sure was started by being exposed to hard core porn when I was a young boy. When I was like 11 or 12 years old me & my friend found his dad's huge porn mag collection & it changed me. Soon we started selling & trading the magazines out to the older neighborhood boys like crack so, I became a porn broker at 12 years old.

Since then I was always conscious about my size & had locker room phobia & the fear of being caught turtled up in a cold shower plagued me. As a teen during my first sexual experiences I remember being so conscious of my size feeling inadequate that I had trouble staying hard. I was trying to live up to the images of the porn stars in my head & it caused me problems. By my mid 20s I eventually got over that (but, not totally) & had many healthy relationships but, still never felt I was the stud I wanted to be.

When I discovered pumping it gave me the temporary feeling of feeling studly. Part of it for me is like Sizemic's reasons, the sex becomes like porn, it turns me on. Its NOT really about pleasing a woman, its about feeling manly. But, like I said I'am really tired of being concerned about pumping & the purple Dick its given me. My GF decided to date a "stud" / the "pumped me", I'm sure she would be slightly disappointed to find out the truth. Not to mention my GF wants to take a vacation together & the first thing I'm thinking is how am I gonna pump? or what if customs pulls my pump outta my suitcase! Lol

Oh btw I measured myself last night with a real fabric flexible tape measure instead of the spring loaded steel tape measure I was using & I was disappointed to find I'm actually 5.25 mseg (the widest part.) I can turtle pretty bad too, I thought maybe with the extra weight of PMMA or a graft it would minimize the Turtling. Yes I know I'm average & my problems are psychological but, they are deep & have had a negative effect on my life & the image of myself. So, still considering the risk...

Thanks for the comments & support guys.

*edit. thinking back, I was about 12yrs old.