--- title: "Dr. Loria - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Spoke with him today for his method. He use a silicone product that gets the body to produce colagin around it toincrease the girth. He charge is 3400$ and it's..." url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/5922653-dr-loria.html?start=0" date: "2026-08-06T16:53:08+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Dr. Loria ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274230804](#1274230804) - **[kcchief](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1754633-kcchief.html "View kcchief's Profile")** - [![kcchief's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1754633-kcchief.html "View kcchief's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1754633-kcchief.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 187 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1754633) Silikon 1000 sounds like it could be a good choice from what I can find on the net about it. Thanks hoddle for the info. Kcchief Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTkyMjY1My1kci1sb3JpYS5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274237724](#1274237724) - **[Bigben](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1930204-bigben.html "View Bigben's Profile")** - [![Bigben's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1930204-bigben.html "View Bigben's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1930204-bigben.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 241 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1930204) Maybe if you have done a lot of stretching he can transplant hair from your shaft to your head haha. 7in is really big. How many treatments did the guy need to reach this size? Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTkyMjY1My1kci1sb3JpYS5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274234174](#1274234174) - **[ripple](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1725073-ripple.html "View ripple's Profile")** - [![ripple's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1725073-ripple.html "View ripple's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1725073-ripple.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 73 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1725073) I checked out his website, aside from penile enlargement he seems to specialize in hair restoration. Kind of an odd mix of services, don't you think? 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Dr.loria fucked up my Dick. Whatever is left of the material/filler is bunched up in the middle and moves around. 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When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best. 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But willing to talk with a mod and will share pictures with them that they could post. Have a 2nd guy I'm gona talk with that had it done as well. I will share this with you all and he has before and after pictures to share. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTkyMjY1My1kci1sb3JpYS5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274230391](#1274230391) - **[hoddle10](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) It'll be Silikon 1000 Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTkyMjY1My1kci1sb3JpYS5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274238592](#1274238592) - **[hoddle10](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > Bigben wrote: Silikon 1000 is just a tradename for liquid silicone. It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA. Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results. They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health. I understand your skepticism towards this procedure. I share it myself and empathize with the stance you have taken. But I've learned from experience the militant opposal to a procedure can be unwise, as so often, rather than deterring a guy from having PE all together, it simply pushes him towards another type of procedure. You need to stop posting bullshit comments like the one I've highlighted. You've done it a few times and I let it go, as like I said, I empathize with you and understand where you are coming from. I know you just don't want anyone to go through what you have. But in my experience, posting false claims in order to support arguments that use fear as a deterrent isn't the best way to try and help other members make the best decision for themselves. I spoke the negative truth about the Elist implant until I was blue in the face and had been banned by MNS several times. But ultimately I don't think I did any good, as it's very hard to get through to people once they've made the decision to have a PE procedure. The vast, majority of guys have an uncanny ability to filter out what they don't want to hear. I think a better approach is to try and get guys to question why they want a penis enlargement in the first place and if these reasons justify the risks involved. Basically try and encourage a more rational thought process. Scare tactics usually just piss people off and if the claims can't be substantiated, they often only further the determination of those they are aimed at. 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It is popular both in the US and Latin America. Its long term complications are as equally devastating as PMMA. Implying that PMMA is a lesser evil because a lot of members here have in their penis is unwise. All the anectdotal evidence shows PMMA serious complications begin showing up at year 3 and smartman is the only guy I know of that truly can speak about long term results. They are both a bad option, and carry significant long term risk to your health. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTkyMjY1My1kci1sb3JpYS5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274239157](#1274239157) - **[Skeptical\_One](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")** - [![Skeptical_One's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1704847.png?1781856569)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 4979 - Thanks: 613 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704847) > Bigben wrote: Hoddle, I respect your opinion but stand behind the highlighted comment 100%. When I have time I can translate the experiences of people with PMMA and liquid silicone implants that have gone wrong and include the links to the Spanish website. I chose not to do this because as you mentioned it may increase fear in people who have already had the procedure, and that is not my intention. But I will provide the info in the complications thread if the forum members feel they would benefit ? Also, I will post less often and wish you all the best. If you have any information that can be accurately translated from sources that have some legitimacy (or can at least have some plausibility), then it is your obligation to cite them if you wish to make the assertions highlighted in bold by Hoddle. This forum thrives on the contribution of all posting members. So what exactly is your reason to join threads discussing Silikon 1000 or PMMA if you have nothing but baseless opinions to give? The idea is to share information, debate, and provide different perspectives. Opinions are acceptable when they are formed from an objective analysis. BigBen, you provide no objective content/sources to backup the reasoning behind your opinions. Instead, as Hoddle suggested, you inject fear into the conversation. There is no better way to cheapen the discussion then to incite fear and uncertainty as it pertains to our dicks. Look at it this way: You (BigBen), find a way to accurately translate or cite a source (or multiple sources) which show men with PMMA in their penises having major issues in the long term. Bingo! Then as a forum, we begin to analyze & discuss your sources starting with #1- determining the legitimacy of the anecdotal evidence to the best of our ability, #2- determining whether the evidence is complete (e.g. brand of PMMA, physician, instrumentation, etc), and if not complete, is there enough info to consider the purported complications a seriousness?, and #3- how it relates to the Mexican & European brand of bioplasty as being reported by patients on this forum. You see, you will have done a service to your fellow forum members, and the rest of us will have chimed in to better improve the knowledge-base of penis enlargement surgery. That is essentially how this forum has operated since its inception. Anything else is just cheap discussion, or at worst, fear-mongering. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTkyMjY1My1kci1sb3JpYS5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274236606](#1274236606) - **[messageman](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html "View messageman's Profile")** - [![messageman's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar1722700.jpg?1309009799)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html "View messageman's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1722700-messageman.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 738 - Thanks: 10 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1722700) > ripple wrote: I checked out his website, aside from penile enlargement he seems to specialize in hair restoration. Kind of an odd mix of services, don't you think? Not really. A one-stop shop preying on the vanity and insecurities of men. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZ2VuZXJhbC1mb3J1bS9nZW5lcmFsLXBoYWxsb3BsYXN0eS1kaXNjdXNzaW9uLWFyY2hpdmUvNTkyMjY1My1kci1sb3JpYS5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Dr. Loria 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274237886](#1274237886) - **[kcchief](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1754633-kcchief.html "View kcchief's Profile")** - [![kcchief's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1754633-kcchief.html "View kcchief's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1754633-kcchief.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 187 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1754633) 4 since last march or 1 a month. He started at 5.25 Girth. 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There is a study that was carried out in Israel that I posted here previously, but the results in these articles are hard to independently substantiate. Being a pioneer with PMMA carries a big enough element of the unknown and that has widespread use in large quantities. Silikon 1000 seems like PMMA all over again, only this time we don't have the large South American market history. 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Hopfully I can ask him to visit the forum and chime in. 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