TOPIC: Considering Belladerm--please advise

Just for the sake of discussion...

I fully agree with the comments that PE surgery carries significant risk and there have been many reports of serious problems (especially FFT and Ellist implant). On the other hand, I've heard of more positive than negative reports (albeit few overall) on Rosenthal and Belladerm.

What if he doesn't publish his results simply because he doesn't need to? If he averages 6 surgeries per week at $10K, why advertise? In fact, publication of successful results may encourage other docs to jump on the bandwagon. The default answer seems to be that docs don't publish PE surgery outcomes because of the negative aspects, however I wonder if it's reasonable think about it from the opposite perspective.

Not suggesting this is what I believe, just curious about what others think of the idea.

Max

In case it might be helpful to others, I'm copying and pasting an excerpt from an email exchange I had with Dr Rosenthal, June 2012.

Max

My Question:
Does the belloderm absorb/dissolve/decrease significantly over time, resulting in the need for another procedure? 'If so, how long does it last?

Response:
I have been using Belladerm for about 3 years and longterm appears to have very little shrinkage compared to Alloderm. The amount of shrinkage is variable and seems to be most in smokers.

Justave: I'm in exactly the same boat... to the point I want to figure out exactly where he sutured this stupid graft at the base and have it severed (or removed). It shortened my length and I have the same curl upwards. If you ever read this again, tell me, does the now bare graft have a cord like protrusion at the top of the shaft at the base?

People, it's literally like tying a rope around the head of your penis and pulling it back like the reins on a horse towards the base, over the top. That's the lost length. And the damn graft (which I assume is this cord like structure post tissue dissolving for a year) is strong as hell. When you're erect, you can definitely see it is the cause of the bend. I've been doing weights and everything to try and stretch it. It's as if the belladerm tissue was attached to some other type of material which travels from on top of the base of the penis... to the head... and once the belladerm is gone, just this weird strip remains.

It's what you say shrunk... and you may be right, in addition to all the other tissue around it dissolving.

guys, I'm all for freedom of enhancement... like justave, I was fine and happy for a few months. When they say most guys later regret these procedures, they are correct.

Why? Because the procedures are inept and these docs lie like whores. They just see 10k in the room, that's it. The DAY someone actually comes up with a procedure which has a proven track record and doesn't scar the patient, guess what? That satisfaction rate will climb quick.

Kingpin, if you had belladerm with Dr. Rosenthal... and moved on to PMMA, is the implication here that belladerm didn't work for you as well? "very happy with him as a doctor"... but you felt it necessary to have a second procedure after the original. We are to assume you weren't happy with the Belladerm procedure, but loved the personality of the doc. Alright then.

Nothing like traveling to TJ to have a PMMA injected in your dick because it's illegal stateside.

www.drelist.com/pmma-injection-penile for some PMMA info.

I had a business for 30 years and yes did run ads.. For 5 of our 30 years.. After that we survived by word of mouth which is the best way to advertise... Dr R is a progressive doctor. Just running ads does not give anyone a positive attitude with getting involved. Word of mouth is by far the best for many reasons...

I will never understand why some women would tell their partners they had "bigger ones" with previous men when they are in a committed relationship (knowing for a fact it will hurt their man's feelings forever)! It is like telling your wife she is fat...she will never forget nor forgive you. If you were asked by your wife/GF if you had a tighter pussy in your previous relationships, what would your answer be? I hate lying, but there are very few instances where lying is preferred to save your partner's feelings....For some reason, some women decide to be honest at the wrong time.

Women who had vaginal births are at a lot lower risk with vaginal tightening surgery than men with surgical PE such as implant, Alloderm or Belladerm, and the cost is almost the same if not cheaper.

Mustang What did you have and was it from Dr R??

Every person should make their own mind up in relationship of having any procedures done..They should pay no attention to others opinions. Each procedure has it positives and negatives. Reading the negative statements are only one persons view, and we know they should be taken very lightly...

I had Belladerm in August 2010, in fact I spoke to Kingpin as I had backed out just before surgery, then following our discussion decided to proceed.

This was a mistake. If I have one piece of advice for any guy especially a young guy who has not yet had kids - leave your Dick alone!

I had three procedures, curvature correction (curved to the left), lig detachment and Belladerm implant. Following surgery I lost an Inch in length, so I did the stretching exercises and after a few months got back to my original length (6.0), but no more as the length of the implant protruded out on the end.

I noticed after 6 months that the Belladerm was being absorbed but it was very little and honestly I was ok with it as the implant which was obvious and becoming less obvious, more natural. There was a period of about a year when I was relatively happy with the appearance...........appearance, because during this time I discovered a problem.

The nerves which had been severed during the surgery did not heal the loss of feeling on the top side of the shaft never returned. Dr R told me on the way back from surgery to the hotel that there would be no feeling and that "the tip was the business end anyway".....not so, the effect even though total loss of feeling is only on the top of the shaft is that it is not possible for me to ejaculate during intercourse......ever, this can be done only through manual stimulation of the tip.

So if you are young, and you want to have kids, try and figure out how you are going to get that done...

So now two years later, yes the Belladerm is absorbing.....which would be ok.....BUT it doesn't simply shrink in thickness, it also shrinks in length and width, so it is pulling on the shaft....curling my Erect penis up and back, at a surprising rate. I now have a strange upward and to the left curl...which is getting worse.Aug 2010 (pre) stats:Natural curve to the left6.0” length4.0-4.25 Girth Sept 2011 stats:Straight!!6.0” length (after 2 months of weights)4.75 Girth J Sept 2012 stats:Curve to the leftAnd curved upwards especially the head5.0” length4.625 Girth
-$10,000

I admit at one year I was happy with the shape and size, I thought I would get to keep that, even though I was not able to ejaculate during penetration. Now, however two years later I see it curving upwards towards the implant more every morning when I wake with an Erection. I am educated, successful and ………….single, and I expect I will probably stay that way - it’s embarrassing, stupid……..where I will end up with this is anyones guess

richard wrote: I understand your point of view and agree with you. My point was when your making an important medical decision you need to research your medical facts. Because so much plays in to the personality of the person and how they react to some thing. Many times whether your talking about , cancer, plastic, surgery,etc, it is negative people who take the time to post. I had the experience w my prostrate cancer and found three fourths what I read was a bunch of crap.'

I agree with some of what you say Richard, but the fact of the matter is your successful case is an exception rather than the norm.
PE is still at its pioneering stages and when we research, we are left with the option of taking what the doctor says at face value or message boards such as this to get first hand experience reports. Finding an unbiased, 3rd party report on the outcome of a statistically significant amount of PE surgeries (for any doctor) is basically impossible because most of the doctors don't want the world to know the failure rate.

Could you imagine if a prospective patient of the implant doctor (Dr. Elist) only relied on
the literature on the Internet about the implant (written by Dr. Elist himself) or his face-to-face hard sell consultation with the good doctor to make his decision, without paying attention to the countless horror stories that have come out on this board and others?
Would you consider that an informed decision?

I understand your point of view and agree with you. My point was when your making an important medical decision you need to research your medical facts. Because so much plays in to the personality of the person and how they react to some thing. Many times whether your talking about , cancer, plastic, surgery,etc, it is negative people who take the time to post. I had the experience w my prostrate cancer and found three fourths what I read was a bunch of crap.

richard wrote: If you had a micro penis that made having sex difficult or were suffering from truly debilitating self esteem issues because of your penis, then there is a good argument that it is worth the risk. But in your case, don't you have too much to lose. I understand how you feel and really meant it when I said I'd be delighted if there was a consistently effective and safe way to enlarge the penis, as it would change my life. But there just isn't. Because you so badly want a bigger penis it sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that it's a good decision to have it done, when really you know it isn't. I know what it's like as I've done it myself. Voices of reason such as mine are probably incredibly irritating and I know when i was researching enlargement options I did my best to filter them out.
THE ABOVE POST IS TOTALLY INCORRECT... The first sentence says "IF YOU..." AND HIS RAGE AND DISORIENTED MIND TURNS THE REST OF THE PARAGRAPH INTO FACTUAL ABOUT ME,,, Such a positive leader.. Such a shame of one of our leaders to do....

Richard, you'll need to settle down friend. Hoddle clearly quoted Maximus and was clearly responding to Maximus. He didn't once cite you by name or your specific situation. I understand these procedures can be sensitive topics, but we mustn't get carried away.
And a lot of what he said was valid, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Thanks SO and Hoddle, for the prompt feedback. Good point about few PE surgeons but my sense is that this is at least in part due to the lack of FDA approval. Still a great point to consider nonetheless.

By the way, if Rosenthal performs 6 surgeries per week (as stated on the Dr Drew show, and consistent with him telling me that he has done >5000 allo/Bella surgeries over 20 yrs), why doesn't he publish the comprehensive results in a medical journal? Is it likely that the number of procedures is significantly exaggerated?

Hoddle, I have discussed this extensively with my wife and while she's not in favor of the idea, she is supportive. Perhaps because she is having breast enlargement at the end of the year

Max

Mm Your last post is very correct.. With the number of people I have met either in Dr Rosenthal's office and on the Internet they are very happy with their results..I investigated the different methods and read most if not all posts.. Any surgery, and injections of PMMA may cause long term problems...I have posted the positive results that I have here.But the majority of this site are PMMA people which if fine with me and I would never speak against it.. It just did not meet my criteria. thanks

Just thought I'd post because people are asking. Yes, my Belladerm has turned into a hard strip on the top of my penis, only about an Inch wide now... as if it shrunk laterally and up the sides. Still more Girth than before, but now very aware of it and it is a lot harder. It started a the 1 year mark. It's been 1.5 years now. I'm not buying the smoking thing, only because I started smoking when this started happening... freaking me out... and I stopped after a bit anyway. Dr. R injected a steroid in an area towards the top which had amased some scar tissue, and it shrunk / softened. I'm to go back for 2 more treatments.

ugh