TOPIC: UGRS-Penile enlargement surgery

Hi guys,
Just had a penis enlargement with UGRS 1 year ago and I had very good results..I want to further increase my Girth and was wondering if any of you had done this and if their treatment guarantee would cover this..The results which I have are exactly what I was told to expect so I am not sure if they would cover, however as this is subjective do you think I would have any leverage with them to get it for free?

I know these guys. Don't bother.

@smartman
I noticed a while back that their rhetoric was somewhat aggressive to the tune of "you whackers think you can get as good results for free by jelquing, then screw off we wouldn't touch your damaged wankers with a ten-foot penile stretcher"... yes I am paraphrasing with a fair share of poetic licence.
It is however interesting that they mention liability issues and the fact that many people who have undertaken long term manual PE regimens may have latent injuries which expose anyone doing a procedure on them to liability: the surgeon would only trigger a pre-existing condition? FWIW
HC

I'm unsure whether you're referring to me hoddle but if I were to go through with it, it would be performed in Birmingham, which is closer to me than London. What do Ralph and Viel say about gaining Erect length with lig cutting hoddle? I think I recently read an article by Viel saying that it isn't possible, I'll try and find it.

Would you mind posting what they wrote? It's just that as I've said above they are known for being rude and a few guys have been put off by their tone. Their website even has a condescending or arrogant tone to it. In my experience British Dr's aren't that receptive to email, whilst US Dr's are more so. When I had surgery in Serbia with Miro, he'd answer all emails promptly and politely. I think it just depends on the Dr.

so you haven't gotten an Erect length for any lengthening surgery? even with stretching or weights

In this Link you have more information about UGRS, it's not good. THEY LIE !!


www.thundersplace.org/agrandamiento-del-...-una-estafa-mas.html

Why go to UGRS when Mr Viel is in London? If you just want lig cutting, then David Ralph will do it for about '2500. I really don't see the point of flying to Germany to have FFT or lig cutting, when both can be done in the UK. Mr Viel has done far more FFT than Jethon and lig cutting is relatively straight forward.

Here is an article on lig cutting done in the UK:
www.eu-acme.org/europeanurology/upload_articles/Ralph.pdf

This is from the last reply. Due to them once cancelling a consultation a couple of days beforehand (making me lose my '80 prebooked train ticket) I asked if I could get Jethons e-mail address so I could e-mail him for direct and clear information. I also mentioned that I am apart of a PE community and how we discuss surgeons, their procedures and merits. I also tried to get the clarification on whether the PL offers a substantial increase to Erect length for the final time.

No right-minded surgeon would ever conduct a 'tele-consultation' by whatever
means, unless someone was clearly at risk - or they were desperate to drum
up business. (Especially in this internet age of melting-pot theories
drummed up by non-medical groups, based on what? The number of hits?
Averages? Heresay? The most colourful website with the latest ads? "My mate
knows someone who..."? "Here, let me look at that broken leg, I read
somewhere that...")

The fact that I'm working overtime here disproves the latter, while the
former is hardly the case.

If you are cautious, surely a face-to-face conversation would provide the
most tactile and thus trustworthy source of evidence? Whatever.

I'd forgotten about your having already forked out for travel expenses ...
but I do recall saying that you need only bring your ticket along to the
next appointment to have the sum refunded in its entirity (I'm quite sure it
will be rounded up to '100 for your trouble). This state of affairs hasn't
altered.

I don't know what else I can add before I start to repeat myself ad nauseam.

Call me, make an appointment for a free and non-binding consultation to put
your mind at rest - or don't. Your future rests in your hands.

I'd have posted my full e-mail to him but most of my e-mail was answering his questions and so on, this has been an ongoing conversation for 5-6 months now.




I'll post some highlights from previous e-mails with UGRS.

This is a response from when I asked why Dr.Viel (a very experienced surgeon) would say he could not increase Erect length in an article he wrote for the daily mirror. ("..We can increase Flaccid length, but not the Erect length, for reasons I shall explain later..". I then asked why this person from UGRS I have been in contact with once said early on in our talks that the average gain in Erect length after their procedure is 2-5cms. Their reply:

As I've frequently pointed out, our procedures simply cannot be compared
with those of other clinics ... regardless of what the DM may report. As far
as we are aware, no other clinic based in the UK offers the same procedure
our surgeons do.

This was a response from when I mentioned that I had been researching the internet for other clinics that perform penile enlargement and gave an example of a procedure available in Serbia for '1950 (lig cut), this lead me to ask if their penile lengthening price is cheaper if I go to their clinic in Bulgaria. Their reply:

It's even 'cheaper' to fly to a centre claiming to offer 'the same operation
procedure' in Thailand (you even get a warm climate for an attractive
holiday thrown in) - providing you don't factor in the costs for possible
reconstructive surgery post-op and the emotional trauma this involves. We've
also 'cleaned-up' (as best we could) quite a few back-street Rotterdam jobs,
in case you might consider trying them out as well.

The costs are the same throughout our network of clinics - otherwise we'd
just be shipping patients off to the next cheapest location. We bring the
specialists to the local clinics, meaning it is the very skills of these
experts in their particular field that accounts for a large proportion of
the costs.

I think I'll leave it there now, as I don't think I'm getting anywhere with them.

yeah I actually just e-mailed Dr. Alter. I will wait for his response. Thanks.
And hoddle you had penile lengthening in Serbia? What is your experience like then. Sorry I haven't been able to read every thread yet. Thanks.

@Sheldon
I know these guys personally and recommend staying away from them. They are deceitful and are not on the "cutting edge" of anything; except for taking a patient's money. It's simply elaborate dialogue for conventional Ligamentolysis. Also, no matter where you go in the world, FFT is FFT. Scott, a representative of UGRS also refuses to answer common questions regarding the procedures offered by the clinic.

They are known for being rude and talking nonsense. They do regular FFT and lig cutting. They try and make out as if they are doing something different but they aren't. And they are less experienced than the surgeons in London. Viel has been doing FFT since 1991 and I doubt Dr Jethon was even a Dr back then. I think Jethon has been doing this for around 5 years.

I'd already had lengtheing prior to Serbia, but didn't gain any Erect length. When I went to Serbia they tacked some skin to the shaft to create a better angle, but it soon came loose. Sava Perovic used to have an association with URGS and they used to say the PLGA scaffolds were the best method. But Vladimir (from Miro Djordevic's team) told myself and Mikehok that it was too expensive to do in Germany as the costs for the lab were far higher than in Belgrade. Hence they now only do FFT. Also for a long time on the URGS website they claimed Macrolane was just as good as FFT, which is simply not true.

Thanks for the link smartman.

Is there anyone on this board who has had surgery with UGRS, or had a consultation with them? Their website seems convincing...I'd be interested to hear first-hand accounts.

Also, they seemed vague about possible Erect length gains, and it wasn't totally clear to me why their FFT method is different than other methods where the fat is re-absorbed.

Most of us know about this international UGRS clinic (it was mentioned in the old forum) but the new news about it, they have just started to show pictures before and after , they have refused before (I have asked them 2 yrs ago) to show any pictures. But the only bad news about this clinic they dont do surgery for anyone who had previous phalloplasty or used a penile stretcher.
www.the-european-institute-ugrs.com/uk/T...s.php?goto=text#text