--- title: "QUESTION FOR DR.OATES AND ANYONE ELSE - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "I've had the juverderm injections about 3 months ago and going back next friday for top up , but noticed they sell a new product... - Page 3" url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/8580057-question-for-dr-oates-and-anyone-else.html?start=30" date: "2026-08-07T20:32:42+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: QUESTION FOR DR.OATES AND ANYONE ELSE ## Re: QUESTION FOR DR.OATES AND ANYONE ELSE 9 years 1 month ago [\#1296744593](#1296744593) - **[costa](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4765427-costa.html "View costa's Profile")** - [![costa's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4765427-costa.html "View costa's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4765427-costa.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 123 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4765427) > Dr Oates wrote: > OK - so I am way behind....Yep know about Teosyal Ultra Deep. Tried it and did not like it (sorry if this is too late). It is made for placing down against the bone and is quite hard. It did not workout so well. > Currently am trialling Ultimate - which seems very similar to Voluma. Ok thanks for the reply and you are just in time ! Going in tomorrow so will continue using Juverderm voluma as i'm happy with it ( though needs to be slightly harder) . 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I have sections of Ultra deep that feel hard surrounded by sections of voluma that feel a little less firm. > > Without having had voluma and being familiar with molding I would not have managed to get ultra deep right. So has it worked out for you ? Would you recommend Ultra as its firmer ? 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Hoodie dissolved his but he thinks that was because he skin was too loose. As far as i know at least with Macrolane there were lumps/granulomas issues. Macrolane molecules are bigger and this could be the reason. Many doctors choose their HA to aovoid this. 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Basically sex with condom was boring ( but it has amways be). Any news about elliance ? There has not been any reports of the sensitivity after the product has gone. Maybe guys just keep getting it filled up. 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Thanks Mattmoan, The increased firmness was what we were looking for. Maybe we should have kept trying it but 1 poor experience was enough for us to stop. We are now using Ultimate - which they say has a higher cross-linking % than UD. Not sure why it is not harder then. 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Remember Mattman is saying Ultra Deep by Teosyal not Juvederm Ultra... I can see this is going to get confusing. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvODU4MDA1Ny1xdWVzdGlvbi1mb3ItZHItb2F0ZXMtYW5kLWFueW9uZS1lbHNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: QUESTION FOR DR.OATES AND ANYONE ELSE 8 years 11 months ago [\#1300016324](#1300016324) - **[LatinLog](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4068215-latinlog.html "View LatinLog's Profile")** - [![LatinLog's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar4068215.jpg?1594157091)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4068215-latinlog.html "View LatinLog's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4068215-latinlog.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 113 - Thanks: 4 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4068215) > Dr Oates wrote: > Thanks Mattmoan, > > The increased firmness was what we were looking for. Maybe we should have kept trying it but 1 poor experience was enough for us to stop. We are now using Ultimate - which they say has a higher cross-linking % than UD. Not sure why it is not harder then. Dr. Oats, I'm trying to decide on Ultra Deep or Voluma at Androfill. Can you please elaborate on your 1 bad experience? Was it nodules, unevenness? Thanks for your time. LL Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvODU4MDA1Ny1xdWVzdGlvbi1mb3ItZHItb2F0ZXMtYW5kLWFueW9uZS1lbHNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0zMA==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: QUESTION FOR DR.OATES AND ANYONE ELSE 8 years 11 months ago [\#1300017039](#1300017039) - **[Dr\_Oates](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile")** - [![Dr_Oates's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar4460953.jpg?1569480001)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 688 - Thanks: 51 - - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4460953) > LatinLog wrote: Dr. Oats, I'm trying to decide on Ultra Deep or Voluma at Androfill. Can you please elaborate on your 1 bad experience? Was it nodules, unevenness? Thanks for your time. LL Hi LL, With UltraDeep just got too much irregularity - which is generally not that big an issue. I am now using Teosyal Ultimate a lot. Voluma is great too - just make sure they use the right stuff with you. 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I am now using Teosyal Ultimate a lot. Voluma is great too - just make sure they use the right stuff with you. How long Teosyal should last? 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Can you please elaborate on your 1 bad experience? Was it nodules, unevenness? Thanks for your time. LL go for the Ellanse.... 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Androfill doesn't offer Ellanse though. 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If they were smart, they would. They are best positioned, among all Male Enhancement clinics, to deliver best price, and thus dominate the market for one of the best, if not the best, filler options. 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I looked around and can't find anyone other than Dr. Oats who uses Ellanse? I'm in the US, any suggestions? Dr. C no longer offers it. 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