--- title: "Last minute tips - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Heading to tijuana next week. I've read about as much as I can, but I figured i'd ask any veterans for any last minute ideas. Been... - Page 4" url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/6961318-last-minute-tips.html?start=45" date: "2026-08-06T22:06:36+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Last minute tips ## Re: Last minute tips 11 years 11 months ago [\#1283975338](#1283975338) - **[buttercups](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2146278-buttercups.html "View buttercups's Profile")** - [![buttercups's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2146278-buttercups.html "View buttercups's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2146278-buttercups.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 208 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2146278) > Puell75 wrote: I didn't want to hear most size gains are on R1. That doesn't bode well for me on subsequent rounds as R1 only got .3 gain. I too am still under 5 so really feel I need to try again. I gained more in round 2. 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That doesn't bode well for me on subsequent rounds as R1 only got .3 gain. I too am still under 5 so really feel I need to try again. > > I gained more in round 2. Yup. Me2. I gained dramatically more in r2. 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About 3 weeks till R2 Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjk2MTMxOC1sYXN0LW1pbnV0ZS10aXBzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD00NQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Last minute tips 11 years 10 months ago [\#1284567186](#1284567186) - **[booked](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/3171063-booked.html "View booked's Profile")** - [![booked's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/3171063-booked.html "View booked's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/3171063-booked.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 13 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=3171063) The nodules pretty much are gone. That's the only good thing. The base is near 5", for about two inches in length maybe. The next 3.5" or 4" inches, the rest of the shaft, are now about 4.6", a .1" gain. The dropoff is rather distinct, from 5" down to 4.6" within a third of an Inch of length. It's like i had PMMA done on one third of the shaft. A disappointment to say the least. I will have to go back as soon as i can. I can't believe my luck with this. Who else has this happened to? 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It seems Dr N is getting more gains, but with smaller amounts. In the last 3 or 4 months there have been several reports of patients getting minimal gains. Yet when people first started going to Dr C, it seemed like no one gained less the 1/2" and with less PMMA that was 20% concentration and not 30%. Does anyone remember the reason he can't use Linnea Safe? 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It's like i had PMMA done on one third of the shaft. Does the dropoff happen where your circumcisions scar is? I have a drop off at that line after round 2. The pics are in my journal...the PMMA isn't sticking or growing in that area...though oddly it does grow above my de-gloving surgical scar. So, I have a gap and then it's full again. 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It seems Dr N is getting more gains, but with smaller amounts. In the last 3 or 4 months there have been several reports of patients getting minimal gains. Yet when people first started going to Dr C, it seemed like no one gained less the 1/2" and with less PMMA that was 20% concentration and not 30%. > > Does anyone remember the reason he can't use Linnea Safe? My understanding is that they are aware of the problem and have acknowledged some reports of minimal gains and have checked with the manufacturer, requesting tests & analyses and all. Everything has so far checked out and no evidence of tainted batches as far as what's been relayed to me (the info isn't super current). My understanding is that they are a bit perplexed by the current situation but are waiting to see the outcome of the next few wave of patients to better pinpoint the culprit. I'm not sure how "big" the problem is, I'll have to inquire with Wade about what percentage of members have been reporting disappointing gains of the past few months - a large percentage should warrant a more rigorous examination of what's going on. And we can't rely on preliminary information here without coupling the data with Avanti Derma's stats (regarding poor gains). What we do have, unfortunately, is still too small of a sample size to rule out sheer coincidence. I hope this very idea creates more incentive for lurkers to post, good or bad! As for Linnea Safe, I think it has to do with licensing (maybe it expired??) and how to import it to Mexico again would mean going through a few steps (commerce & bureaucracy). In other words, I don't think Linnea Safe is legally obtainable at the present time for whatever reason. Someone may need to verify this, and if I talk to Wade in the near future, I'll remember to ask. 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Looks like I got little growth yesterday and evening before. I will verify tomorrow which is 3 week mark. If I am at 5.5 then it would be .6 gain. Wade told me there are going to b watching latest batch closely. 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I have a drop off at that line after round 2. The pics are in my journal...the PMMA isn't sticking or growing in that area...though oddly it does grow above my de-gloving surgical scar. So, I have a gap and then it's full again. No. The base of the shaft is 5". The other two thirds of the shaft, up to the top, are 4.5". 4.5" is where I started. So i got PMMA on 1/3 the shaft. I don't understand it. 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I am just wondering bc there are a few threads on this now - and we were both going there at similar times, when guys haven't been getting much size. 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I decided to wait and see how this played out. I ended up with .1 for most of the shaft and .3 at the base. Unfortunately i also have a marble size lump now on the underside of the base of the shaft, right at the top of my scrotum. Does anybody know what this could be? Has it been seen before? This is 7 months after the procedure. What i mean is, it isn't like the injection nodules at all. It's not usually sensitive, but it's rather large. 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They showed a perfect procedure, half Inch+ swelling, no complications. But that's not what i ended up with. 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Maybe it has been there since day one, and it took this long for me to notice it. It's now painful, pain in the Balls sometimes, painful to the touch. I've taken it really easy with any contact for two months and it looks like it's worse now rather than better. I'm seeing a Urologist in a few days to try to find out what it could be. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjk2MTMxOC1sYXN0LW1pbnV0ZS10aXBzLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD00NQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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