--- title: "Small lump near injection site - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "Any advice what this is would be helpful I tried chem pe this year for about 6 weeks but quit due to a small pea sized lump inside my penis this lump is located..." url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/patient-support-group-progress-reports/6784317-small-lump-near-injection-site.html" date: "2026-08-06T21:21:50+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Small lump near injection site ## Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281774159](#1281774159) - **[Friend\_face](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile")** - [![Friend_face's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 148 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2103238) Any advice what this is would be helpful I tried chem pe this year for about 6 weeks but quit due to a small pea sized lump inside my penis this lump is located near my injection site in the middle of my penis and is not painful unless I squeeze it.It inside my penis on the top of my penis right in the middle it cannot be seen at all. When Flaccid I can feel it when Erect it's not there at all. I alternated injection sites but they were on the same level as each other but on different sides of my penis. During chem pe I got lazy and stopped Jelqing due to the pain from the erections and didn't use dmso/PABA tropicals because of the irritation I was experiencing. What do you guys think this is scar tissue? 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Who was the doctor that gave you Chem PE? Hi must know about this lump. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281780697](#1281780697) - **[Honzee](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html "View Honzee's Profile")** - [![Honzee's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html "View Honzee's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 83 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2214776) > Friend face wrote: Any advice what this is would be helpful > > I tried chem pe this year for about 6 weeks but quit due to a small pea sized lump inside my penis this lump is located near my injection site in the middle of my penis and is not painful unless I squeeze it.It inside my penis on the top of my penis right in the middle it cannot be seen at all. > > When Flaccid I can feel it when Erect it's not there at all. > > I alternated injection sites but they were on the same level as each other but on different sides of my penis. > > During chem pe I got lazy and stopped Jelqing due to the pain from the erections and didn't use dmso/PABA tropicals because of the irritation I was experiencing. > > What do you guys think this is scar tissue? What are you injecting? Is it red? Hard to the touch when Flaccid? Did it appear after a missed injection? Ie you didn't hit the injection point into your CC? Picture would be helpful. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281782668](#1281782668) - **[Friend\_face](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile")** - [![Friend_face's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 148 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2103238) it was pge-1 I bought of ergo peptides when they sold it It's not red It's hard to touch when Flaccid I'm not sure I know when it appeared I remember feeling it one day I only missed 1 injection but that was early on the 2-3 week A photo would not show it up its inside it's like a small cyst it's not causing problems but I'm just not sure what it is Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281782987](#1281782987) - **[Honzee](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html "View Honzee's Profile")** - [![Honzee's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html "View Honzee's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 83 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2214776) Yeah sounds like it's something minor. I'd goto the doctor and get it checked out if it's concerning you. If it's just under the dermis, this may not be the most appropriate thing to do but I would prob stick myself with a blank needle and try and pop it... And squeeze it out of the entry hole. Not advising this but I would do it myself. I've never experienced that with my CHEMS. But injecting other stuff into my glutes. Mine was pretty good size maybe like a marble size. Mine went away after popping it and squeezing it out. 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I'd goto the doctor and get it checked out if it's concerning you. If it's just under the dermis, this may not be the most appropriate thing to do but I would prob stick myself with a blank needle and try and pop it... And squeeze it out of the entry hole. Not advising this but I would do it myself. > > I've never experienced that with my CHEMS. But injecting other stuff into my glutes. Mine was pretty good size maybe like a marble size. Mine went away after popping it and squeezing it out. Thanks for the info it's not causing any problems if it starts to I'll go see someone I don't know about the needle thing might be a good idea I just don't want to do anymore damage,I'm currently injecting tb-500 into my stomach for injury Repair elsewhere it's systematic maybe this will do something but I doubt it. 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I emailed wade 7 days ago and I'm still waiting for a reply from Dr. C.. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281785300](#1281785300) - **[Friend\_face](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile")** - [![Friend_face's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 148 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2103238) Looks like you could pop that mine is nothing like that Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281786500](#1281786500) - **[coolhandluke](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1735628-coolhandluke.html "View coolhandluke's Profile")** - [![coolhandluke's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1735628-coolhandluke.html "View coolhandluke's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1735628-coolhandluke.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 225 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1735628) Jimmyjames, I've had a surface nodules like that once and i didn't know how to treat it. Luckily it ruptured on its own and I kept the site clean and dry daily, I was also on tetracycline antibiotics which may have helped to prevent infection. Whenever you manipulate or try to rupture a Nodule on your own you run the high risks of infection!!! Google Clostridium perfringens, MRSA, and flesh eating bacteria. The skin is an amazing system and We can not under appreciate its role as a biological barrier. If you pop the surface Nodule even with gloved hands, your skin has bacterial flora on it, you still run the risk of infection. I would consult face time with Casavantes or your local dermatologists, it would be simple to remove under the appropriate care. Please heed reason instead of taking the risks upon yourself. Salud CHL Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281786536](#1281786536) - **[dcpimpin12](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile")** - [![dcpimpin12's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html "View dcpimpin12's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1982119-dcpimpin12.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 316 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1982119) i totally agree with coolhandluke Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281789111](#1281789111) - **[Mustang2020](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile")** - [![Mustang2020's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html "View Mustang2020's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1715850-mustang2020.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 1795 - Thanks: 18 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1715850) > jimmyjames wrote: Honzee, does this Nodule, from a PMMA injection site, look like something I could pop out on my own? I emailed wade 7 days ago and I'm still waiting for a reply from Dr. C.. Sorry to answer for Honzee, but I do not think you can simply pop it out. There are PMMA plastic spheres in there surrounded by collagen growth. Must be removed surgically or treated by Dr C. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281798009](#1281798009) - - !['s Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg) - Pending Email Verification - ![Pending Email Verification](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank2.gif) - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2182304) Yeah I'm definitely not going to do any squeezing or cutting. I have an appointment in 3 weeks with Dr. Cho so I wait until then to get it sorted. It's really bothersome but it seems like the consensus is that it can be treated. I'm still considering a small touch up if Dr. C say the 15% Lipen PMMA will be safe to use in conjunction with the 30% and 10% of Metacril that currently resides in my penis. I hope the hardness will be the same. I'll keep you updated how it goes. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281798691](#1281798691) - **[Friend\_face](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile")** - [![Friend_face's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html "View Friend_face's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2103238-friend-face.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 148 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2103238) I think mines scar tissue Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Small lump near injection site 12 years 5 months ago [\#1281801498](#1281801498) - **[Honzee](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html "View Honzee's Profile")** - [![Honzee's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html "View Honzee's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/2214776-honzee.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 83 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=2214776) @JJ yeah I agree with CHL and mustang. I have similar ones on 3 of my entry points and am leaving then alone. I've been told they may go away on their own or can be dealt with on my next visit. Not sure what Dr. C would do but I'm not too concerned. @FF Yours is totally different and un PMMA related so should be looked at and treated differently. Best to see a doctor if you aren't comfortable on yur own. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vcGF0aWVudC1zdXBwb3J0LWdyb3VwLXByb2dyZXNzLXJlcG9ydHMvNjc4NDMxNy1zbWFsbC1sdW1wLW5lYXItaW5qZWN0aW9uLXNpdGUuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0x) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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