--- title: "My HA experience. - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "After over a year of research, consultation and thinking I finally had may HA procedure last February the 8th. My stats were FG... - Page 2" url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/injectable-filler-database/9664967-my-ha-experience.html?start=15" date: "2026-08-06T16:33:39+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: My HA experience. ## Re: My HA experience. 8 years 5 months ago [\#1303426934](#1303426934) - **[randomword1234](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5739881-randomword1234.html "View randomword1234's Profile")** - [![randomword1234's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5739881-randomword1234.html "View randomword1234's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5739881-randomword1234.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 137 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5739881) I always hear HA requires at least 2 sometimes 3 sessions to look right. Did you get all 10ml in one session? No aesthetic issues? 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Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vaW5qZWN0YWJsZS1maWxsZXItZGF0YWJhc2UvOTY2NDk2Ny1teS1oYS1leHBlcmllbmNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: My HA experience. 8 years 4 months ago [\#1303687837](#1303687837) - **[Tropical1994](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5833981-tropical1994.html "View Tropical1994's Profile")** - [![Tropical1994's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5833981-tropical1994.html "View Tropical1994's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5833981-tropical1994.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 73 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5833981) ditto interested in how this turned out, photos look great!how long are you Erect? 0.8 gain is impressive Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vaW5qZWN0YWJsZS1maWxsZXItZGF0YWJhc2UvOTY2NDk2Ny1teS1oYS1leHBlcmllbmNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: My HA experience. 7 years 11 months ago [\#1305183696](#1305183696) - **[mato23](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4641448-mato23.html "View mato23's Profile")** - [![mato23's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4641448-mato23.html "View mato23's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4641448-mato23.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 84 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4641448) Hi guys, I'm back. A couple of weeks ago I turned six months after the procedure. Pardon me for not writing anything more before, but I did it on purpose, because I think it takes at least somemonths to asses the results of the procedure and thought six would do. So far looks like I've lost around 20% HA, now I'm 12,5-13,00 cm (around 5 inches) Flaccid Girth and around 14 cm (around 5,5 inches) Erect. Took me a while to get used to the new, let's say, texture, I mean you have a layer of something under your skin and your sensitiveness changes. I had no issues about swishiness, migration or lumps. The HA was firm,smooth and steady from the start. I think it's worth. Wish had done it before an now I can't imagine getting back but I don't think it is somethingfor everyone. I still notice the difference between the right (bigger) and the left side (smaller) and wish I could do somethingon the Foreskin or glans which looks smaller than the shaft. I've already a touch/fill up procedure 11 days ago and will post soon about it. Attached 1 before, 1 one month after, both previously posted, and 3 new six months after procedure pics.. Youcan also see other pre and 1 month after in my former post. I tried to make the pics in the same condition but realized only now that the 6 month are from a farer distance. Before 1 month after 6 months after 6 months after 6 months after Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vaW5qZWN0YWJsZS1maWxsZXItZGF0YWJhc2UvOTY2NDk2Ny1teS1oYS1leHBlcmllbmNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: My HA experience. 7 years 11 months ago [\#1305185465](#1305185465) - **[Reklaw](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html "View Reklaw's Profile")** - [![Reklaw's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html "View Reklaw's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4324840-reklaw.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 1361 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4324840) > mato23 wrote: Hi guys, I'm back. A couple of weeks ago I turned six months after the procedure. Pardon me for not writing anything more before, but I did it on purpose, because I think it takes at least somemonths to asses the results of the procedure and thought six would do. So far looks like I've lost around 20% HA, now I'm 12,5-13,00 cm (around 5 inches) Flaccid Girth and around 14 cm (around 5,5 inches) Erect. Took me a while to get used to the new, let's say, texture, I mean you have a layer of something under your skin and your sensitiveness changes. I had no issues about swishiness, migration or lumps. The HA was firm,smooth and steady from the start. I think it's worth. Wish had done it before an now I can't imagine getting back but I don't think it is somethingfor everyone. I still notice the difference between the right (bigger) and the left side (smaller) and wish I could do somethingon the Foreskin or glans which looks smaller than the shaft. I've already a touch/fill up procedure 11 days ago and will post soon about it. Attached 1 before, 1 one month after, both previously posted, and 3 new six months after procedure pics.. Youcan also see other pre and 1 month after in my former post. I tried to make the pics in the same condition but realized only now that the 6 month are from a farer distance. Before > > 1 month after 6 months after 6 months after 6 months after You've retained quite a lot of Girth after 6 months, impressive aesthetics also. Everytime I see a nice healthy Foreskin like that I get an extreme depressive sensation thinking about how good it used to be. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vaW5qZWN0YWJsZS1maWxsZXItZGF0YWJhc2UvOTY2NDk2Ny1teS1oYS1leHBlcmllbmNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: My HA experience. 7 years 11 months ago [\#1305190591](#1305190591) - **[Gg82](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/3985692-gg82.html "View Gg82's Profile")** - [![Gg82's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/3985692-gg82.html "View Gg82's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/3985692-gg82.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 232 - Thanks: 16 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=3985692) Thanks for the update. Could you expand on the texture thing? Does it feel like thicker skin or what did you mean? Also would appreciate if you can ask the doctor if he could inject Ellanse. I'm based in Italy aswrll and it would be a great option for me. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vaW5qZWN0YWJsZS1maWxsZXItZGF0YWJhc2UvOTY2NDk2Ny1teS1oYS1leHBlcmllbmNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: My HA experience. 7 years 11 months ago [\#1305192112](#1305192112) - **[Dr\_Oates](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile")** - [![Dr_Oates's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/avatars/resized/size144/users/avatar4460953.jpg?1569480001)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 688 - Thanks: 51 - - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4460953) Hi Mato23, Great thread. I have trialled belotero Volume and was planning on trialling intense as well. Guys often have some swelling and notice some early decrease and then hold steady. We have a guy coming back to our Sydney clinic now 3 yrs post Voluma saying he still has quite a lot of increase. I still like to do 2 sessions to get the symmetry and balance right.so although you had a slight asymmentry after 1 session it was a good result. Of course you can add HA to the glans but it can be surprising how much volume it takes to make a decent difference there. I try to not add to the Foreskin to avoid the rock-in-a-sock look. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vaW5qZWN0YWJsZS1maWxsZXItZGF0YWJhc2UvOTY2NDk2Ny1teS1oYS1leHBlcmllbmNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: My HA experience. 7 years 11 months ago [\#1305209218](#1305209218) - **[mato23](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4641448-mato23.html "View mato23's Profile")** - [![mato23's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4641448-mato23.html "View mato23's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4641448-mato23.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 84 - Thanks: 3 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4641448) > Gg82 wrote: Thanks for the update. > Could you expand on the texture thing? Does it feel like thicker skin or what did you mean? > Also would appreciate if you can ask the doctor if he could inject Ellanse. I'm based in Italy aswrll and it would be a great option for me. About the texture thing: it's mainly that sensitivity changes, you may appreciate it or not, the skin doesn't feel thicker is like to have a thicker base underneath. The doctor is D'Angelo in Napoli, he usually answers to email, you can try to talk him into using Ellanse and he'll probably try to talk you into HA. Mind that he wants to see and visit the patient before and only in a second time, make the procedure. This first visit cost should be 100 '. Mind that he has never used it on a penis. I talked with him about Ellanse just out of curiosity but wasn't interested in having it. 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Now I' over 8 month after the first porcedure and over 2 months after the second one. The second one went as smooth as the first: almost no swelling, no bruises, no redness and no pain. I had 6 ml of Belotero Intense injected in the shaft and 0,8 ml of Radiesse in the glans. I asked the doctor to address mainly the left part which was smaller after the first round and the Foreskin or glans. The overall result is quite good and I'm happy with it. To be picky I think the right side, which was bigger after the first round, now is a bit smaller.Radiesse in the glans was useless. The results is next to nothing and I feel like a small grain of something in one spot. It's painless and invisible to the eyes but if you palpate the glans you feel it. I hope it'll disppear with time (it's alredy a bit smaller).I think I'll have a third round in six months wich means 1 year after the first procedure. Below some pics. 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Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vaW5qZWN0YWJsZS1maWxsZXItZGF0YWJhc2UvOTY2NDk2Ny1teS1oYS1leHBlcmllbmNlLmh0bWw/bWFya2Rvd249MSZzdGFydD0xNQ==) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: My HA experience. 7 years 9 months ago [\#1305892750](#1305892750) - **[biggy](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5836159-biggy.html "View biggy's Profile")** - [![biggy's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5836159-biggy.html "View biggy's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/5836159-biggy.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 107 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=5836159) It's another result that shows how sometimes being uncircumcised can give guys a massive advantage where aesthetics are concerned. If you took away the Foreskin and sutured the skin behind the glans, there where be a massive bulge and it would look ridiculous. But the Foreskin creates a smooth transition and it looks really good. 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