TOPIC: My Voluma Experience (London)

mattmoan wrote: Hi all, I want to put in a good word.

I am probably one of the earliest Voluma patients from late 2015.
I have maintained close contact with Dr Horn and his PA at androfill and I have nothing but good things to say about them and the filler procedure.

I would have been unhappy if my Voluma went in 3 months, but I doubt I would have sued as it is not their fault. My wife had filler absorb in 3 months in her lips, and then with the exact same product on a subsequent occasion, it lasted 1.5 years, the body is complex.

In my case, it has gone down an insignificant amount 30% in 18 months although I did have a couple of top-ups to add to the gains midway through.

It would be interesting to see the before&after photos from this thread if there are any because it would be all too easy to get filler injected then claim it all went and ask for a refund.

My result is Patient E www.androfill.com/penis-enlargement-before-and-after/

I emailed Voluma directly. Let's see what they say about this.

Restoration wrote: My experience with HA fillers (voluma and ultra plus) is that it is 50% gone at 8 months. Ultra goes a little faster. 1 month is not normal for the amount you had - regardless of your metabolism or whatever other factors. It just sounds like something is wrong.

I think you may have been injected with a counterfeit or expired product. At $100 / mL - it is not real voluma. Nobody can get it that cheap in any country, and he's not even charging you his "doctor's fee" on top of that. It should be more like $600-800/cc injected. The chinese knock offs sold online are very convincing however. The cross-linking of the HA molecules in voluma is unique, extremely complex to replicate by people making counterfeits, and patented, and it is the reason it is (a) more expensive and (b) lasts so long compared to other HAs. Pure collagen was the "first" HA filler - but it only lasted a few weeks because the body broke it down so fast. The cross linking stops the breakdown from happening so quickly.

Theoretically, if the juvederm is injected in a very large amount, it will break down even more slowly because the blood supply won't be able to get to the core of the product until it dissolves the outside first. This is only theoretical because nobody would do this in the face, and all of the published research is just on the face. I had juvederm voluma injected into a large void my doctor created when he removed hardened PMMA tissue. This is still about 50-60% remaining, if not more (around 8 months now). Unfortunately, another void has faded more quickly, though it is still there - just not what I hoped for, for this price. (It's around $450 per cc here with tax, before the doctor's fees). Ultra is cheaper but not worth it. It dissolves too fast.

jogift wrote: If they are not using cannulas (as they claim to do on their website) then they should be putting "micro-droplets" with needles. That means over a thousand needle-prick holes on my Dick (the thought alone makes me shiver). If the holes are few it means they're not doing it right and the results can be unpredictable. I think we need to carefully peruse Reklaw's "bbc i-player ..." thread. We wouldn't need to be proffessionals to draw conclusions from that thread ...

chester wrote: Hey Hoddle, was your teosyal move a way to test the (Girth) waters before proceeding to PMMA? What was your experience, and how would you compare it to your PMMA?