--- title: "Alternatives to Dr. N for European guys - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "It's seems like Dr. N doing a lot of wrong things: she's not prescribing antibiotics, no postcare, no follow up her patients, just... - Page 3" url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/9289732-alternatives-to-dr-n-for-european-guys.html?start=30" date: "2026-08-06T15:06:38+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: Alternatives to Dr. N for European guys ## Re: Alternatives to Dr. N for European guys 8 years 11 months ago [\#1303996825](#1303996825) - **[naginati](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4881541-naginati.html "View naginati's Profile")** - [![naginati's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4881541-naginati.html "View naginati's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4881541-naginati.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 636 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881541) > Mango wrote: There was a pretty consistent trend of him being extremely nice until there was a problem, and then claming up. Lots of stories all "I have a big issue with what he did and now he's not replying/the nurses are deflecting/I'm left out in the cold". That ended up turning me off. Where have we seen that before....... Best stay clear. 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I was all set to have my HA dissolved and had my mind made up about going to Mexico for a visit to Dr.C but now this is available (an hour from my house) it changes things somewhat. > > Its not permanent but possibly better aesthetic outcome against something permanent but slightly more risky in terms of aesthetics. > > Also Dr. Horn just doens't make me feel good about things and doesn't really seem to care or at least show that he does. I would almost prefer to go to Mexico and give Dr. C my money! > > What would other people do? Money isn't an issue as if i need to pay more for the penis i want im happy to do it. > > The one big draw for me for PMMA is the ability to over a course of two or three trips completely address the issue and not have to worry about it again (hopefully). Draw a line under my size insecurities and move on with my life. > > The idea of knowing that eventually after 2/3/4 years I will be returning to my previous size and need to go through the whole process again is the biggest turn off about temporary fillers. You can't just get things dealt with and move on. > > I'm currently > > 6.7 inches EL > 7.2 inches BPEL > and 5 inches MSEG > > The Girth is after 18ml of HA over the course of 2 years. > > My original MSEG was 4.7 inches > > Hmmm, what to do!? Yep totally with you on Dr Horn ! I really don't like him either , i had 3 procedures from him and he looked like he didn't give a shit . But the black doctor at Moorgate i actually liked and trusted him ,they actually perform at the same building as Androfil only upstairs which is a little awkward especially when i bumped into Francis ! They use a cannula and give you a shot of something to get hard ( which i never did maybe 50% Erect ) This Dr C sounds very good but don't rule out Moorgate . I'l be looking to get it done next year also. 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Entry points are frequent sites of nodules for many guys. I also don't think that Dr. N is inferior in terms of aesthetic outcomes. In fact, most case reports would argue that she is superior, particularly because she always uses less. I also don't see the need for antibiotics being prophalaxtically administered. If your entry site gets infected, something has gone wrong. Product administration from different locations yield more balanced applications. The evidence is elementary. You can obviously reach more places effectively if you apply from more places. As for nodules, if properly massaged shortly following application, these almost always go away. Eventually the overwhelming majority disappear with time. As for aesthetics, this is entirely subjective. 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Thanks to @Superman Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzkyODk3MzItYWx0ZXJuYXRpdmVzLXRvLWRyLW4tZm9yLWV1cm9wZWFuLWd1eXMuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Alternatives to Dr. N for European guys 8 years 11 months ago [\#1303993001](#1303993001) - **[Mango](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4526826-mango.html "View Mango's Profile")** - [![Mango's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4526826-mango.html "View Mango's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4526826-mango.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 6 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4526826) To be fair, my assessment is from over two years ago when I was looking for a doctor for a different operation, so things could be different now. Sarmentero was on my list until I started digging into various Spanish forums (not entirely easy since he didn't show up on the larger sites) and directly talking to some of the patients. There was a pretty consistent trend of him being extremely nice until there was a problem, and then claming up. Lots of stories all "I have a big issue with what he did and now he's not replying/the nurses are deflecting/I'm left out in the cold". That ended up turning me off. Considering that Ellanse would be a process, rather than a one-off deal, I find that pretty concerning. At least enough that I'd rather not be at the front line of testing things out with him myself. 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I just need a little more time to be 100% sure ,and of course to put just a little bit more money aside. So it seems Androfil are using it aswell as Moorgate ! Thats great news though i hope they change their procedure to use a cannula . 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If clean correct and sanitized medical practices are adhered to in PMMA surgery, in most cases one does not need them. Dr C and his staff were very very clean when I had my sessions. They were even sterilizing the metal tray, top and bottom and all the edges. In contrast, elist is the worst I have ever seen. He grabbed the trash bin while he was operating on me in his office! and moved it near him to throw the blood gauze in it then he continued to operate on me with the same gloves. I took antibiotics for 10-11 days to make sure that idiot was not going to kill me. I think in Dr C case, I may consider not taking them in my next session. We will see. I can't speak about Dr N, never seen her. Consuming one beer, 5-8% alcohol content, is not going to do anything negative after a PMMA session. OF course I am not saying go ahead and drink up. Common sense here. Healthy food habits and clean life style will improve PMMA outcome. I found out that simple vitamin C was excellent overall before and after PMMA... 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Entry points are frequent sites of nodules for many guys. I also don't think that Dr. N is inferior in terms of aesthetic outcomes. In fact, most case reports would argue that she is superior, particularly because she always uses less. I also don't see the need for antibiotics being prophalaxtically administered. If your entry site gets infected, something has gone wrong. 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So that is what that cream is. I asked if I could have a beer right afterwards to calm me down and she said no problem since you have not had antibiotics. If you think a doctor who didn't administer antibiotics after a penile filler procedure, and okayed you to drink alcohol right afterwards, is on par with Dr. C, then it's very likely there's no convincing you otherwise. 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BTW, she use a antibiotic cream that she puts in the sticky thing over the injection site.. 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It is and never will be recommended to drink right after, but do people really believe having one beer will reduce gains or cause additional issues? Antibiotics is one thing, but that is also the only reason that one should avoid having a beer after. No doctor would say you should go out and drink heavy. There are a lot of "truth" out there that does not make sense. I see your point with antibiotics tough. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzkyODk3MzItYWx0ZXJuYXRpdmVzLXRvLWRyLW4tZm9yLWV1cm9wZWFuLWd1eXMuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: Alternatives to Dr. N for European guys 8 years 11 months ago [\#1300020700](#1300020700) - **[naginati](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4881541-naginati.html "View naginati's Profile")** - [![naginati's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4881541-naginati.html "View naginati's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/4881541-naginati.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 636 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=4881541) > Herbert West wrote: Who is disliked my post? lol.What is from what I'm saying is wrong? Do you realize that the monopoly is always a bad thing? If any Dr. will know that he or she is only option, he/she would monopolize prices and reduce quality of work if he/she wants it, because this Dr. will know that we don't have any alternatives. Just keep in mind what would have happened if we had only Dr. Elist or Dr. Loria.P.S. Think wider. I said exactly this before. There needs to be more competition. The level of care would be much higher if there was. She has no incentive to improve. 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Agreed. Huge risk using a needle if you ask me. You are better of going to Dr N with a canulla then. 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They are a leader in those kind of procedures and this will probably encourage many smaller clinic to start offering it and see thevtechnique improving. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzkyODk3MzItYWx0ZXJuYXRpdmVzLXRvLWRyLW4tZm9yLWV1cm9wZWFuLWd1eXMuaHRtbD9tYXJrZG93bj0xJnN0YXJ0PTMw) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. 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