--- title: "David Ralph vs Mr Viel - PhalloBoards - Phalloboards" description: "David Ralph charges 2500 for lig cut and Mr Viel charges 4000. Is there a massive difference between their results? I have a... - Page 2" url: "https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/general-phalloplasty-discussion-archive/5930733-david-ralph-vs-mr-viel.html?start=15" date: "2026-08-06T19:51:09+00:00" language: "en-GB" --- PhalloBoards - An Online Community to Discuss Penile Girth Enhancement General Forum Doctors Forum Username Password Remember me - [ Forgot your password? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/reset.html?Itemid=101) - [ Forgot your username? ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/component/users/remind.html?Itemid=101) - [ Create an account ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) # TOPIC: David Ralph vs Mr Viel ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274335877](#1274335877) - **[hoddle10](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) You don't have to have it done. What are your current stats? Honestly the V/Y is a horrible incision and prone to poor healing. The alternatives are to go abroad for a transverse incision or a scrotal incision. The scrotal seems to be by far the best, but it is well known, yet very few surgeons do it. This worries me and makes me think that it could potentially be dangerous. I wouldn't have the lig cut in the UK. David Ralph doesn't do it often and the results he published showed small gains. Mr Viel uses V/Y incision. UGRS charge an absurd amount and treat potential patients badly if they ask too many questions. I'm not advocating you get FFT. But if you are determined to have something done in the UK, then get FFT without the lig cut. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzU5MzA3MzMtZGF2aWQtcmFscGgtdnMtbXItdmllbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MTU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274349961](#1274349961) - **[grahamjack](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html "View grahamjack's Profile")** - [![grahamjack's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html "View grahamjack's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 16 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1946362) > Skeptical One wrote: > grahamjack wrote: It's 3.8 to 4 inchs. How the hell is that decent? lol > > > > I'll do more research I see which doctors perform this with the laser that doesnt need Y/V incision > > > A 4 Inch Flaccid hang is decent, you're most likely a "show-er." No one's Flaccid hangs 6-7" if that's what you think you'll be able to achieve. What is your Erect length if you don't mind me asking? > > If your concern was primarily Flaccid hang, I'd focus on just traction without the surgery. They are going to make you stretch post-op anyways, so why not see if it works without the cost & risk of surgery. I should note, that Hanging & stretching comes with their own risks, but at least you might be able to reduce your overall risk by avoiding surgery altogether. No idea mate. Never measured. It's a Flaccid thing that I want. Like when i'm in a pair of boxers or in the gym showers. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzU5MzA3MzMtZGF2aWQtcmFscGgtdnMtbXItdmllbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MTU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274322841](#1274322841) - **[hoddle10](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) > grahamjack wrote: So by NOT getting Circumcised, this will in no way effet gains? I thought they had to release skin for the penis to drop after the lig cutand thats why they Circumcised you during your op I don't see why it would effect gains, but might increase post op swelling. But I was talking more about not getting circed for the Girth. You may have to for length, but in my opinion that would be a terrible trade off. If you ever decide to have a Girth procedure, look at those who have been Circumcised and those who haven't. Guys who have been Circumcised tend to have a much more natural looking result as they have compliant skin right the way up the shaft. 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So I wont get circumside then when I have my lig cut and FFT. 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Why wouldn't you go with either Hoddle? 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Is there a massive difference between their results? > > I have a consultation with both these surgeons and wondered if anyone could guide me in the right direction. > > Would I see better results from either one and do they perform their lig cuts in different ways? I'd recommend asking them both about the specifics of their approach to compare & contrast. For example, ask them where they make the incision, and what kind of incision is made. Also, what kind of instrumentation do they use to cut the ligs (e.g. Dr. Giunta uses a laser, others may use traditional instrumentation)? Also, does the price include a post-op traction device? For the Dr. Viel $4000, I'd like to hope it does. Do either doctor prescribe a post-op traction regimen? And lastly, ask them upfront why they believe their approach/method to Ligamentolysis is most effective. *Note* Be wary if either doctor makes guarantees of Erect length gains! When you've gathered all that info, it wouldn't hurt to share it with the forum, where you'll find others who have had experiences with either doctor or method. Once you've sifted through the objective & the subjective, you'll be an informed decision maker. Good luck! 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But Mr Ralph doesn't do a great deal of these as it isn't his main area. I wouldn't recommend either to be honest. I wouldn't get Circumcised either. 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If I had the time and money I would pursue PMMA no doubt, but unfortunately I don't have that right now. So the most convenient option is FFT. Maybe in future if my FFT for some reason is not satisfying then I would for sure go the PMMA route. Do I have to remove FFT before going the PMMA route or its ok to put PMMA on top of FFT and will it be effective? @ SO You are right, the risks are acceptable considering my Girth. However, I think FFT is the least risky among every other procedure. Dr viel strongly said no PMMA due to after effects but I will still go with it if FFT fails. I would also like to reiterate that with 3.8" Girth I had a wonderfull sex life. I can last forever and very good technically (given multiple orgasms to my partner) considering I have two kids too and my wife never complained. If my wife knew that I am considering such type of procedures she is going to kill me. But I do feel that enchaning Girth further will bring new excitment in our lives and will be pleasurable for us. So in short I am willing to take risk with either FFT or PMMA. 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Do they do it differently in Serbia or anywhere in europe? 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Please let me know because I am seriously considering FFT now? Thanks Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzU5MzA3MzMtZGF2aWQtcmFscGgtdnMtbXItdmllbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MTU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274310888](#1274310888) - **[girth121](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1942373-girth121.html "View girth121's Profile")** - [![girth121's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1942373-girth121.html "View girth121's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1942373-girth121.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 26 - Thanks: 1 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1942373) @hoddle10 It is an embarrasing 3.8" Erect and I desperately need Girth enhancement. Since Mexico is too far for me, I would do FFT (Stem Cells) any way no matter what. Hoddle I know you had a bad experience with it but my options are limited. What about that guy IDM he was pretty happy with it, I wonder where is he now. Thanks Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzU5MzA3MzMtZGF2aWQtcmFscGgtdnMtbXItdmllbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MTU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274338286](#1274338286) - **[grahamjack](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html "View grahamjack's Profile")** - [![grahamjack's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html "View grahamjack's Profile") Topic Author - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1946362-grahamjack.html) - General - ![General](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rank1.gif) - Posts: 16 - Thanks: 0 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1946362) > hoddle10 wrote: You don't have to have it done. What are your current stats? > > Honestly the V/Y is a horrible incision and prone to poor healing. > > The alternatives are to go abroad for a transverse incision or a scrotal incision. The scrotal seems to be by far the best, but it is well known, yet very few surgeons do it. This worries me and makes me think that it could potentially be dangerous. > > I wouldn't have the lig cut in the UK. David Ralph doesn't do it often and the results he published showed small gains. Mr Viel uses V/Y incision. UGRS charge an absurd amount and treat potential patients badly if they ask too many questions. > > I'm not advocating you get FFT. But if you are determined to have something done in the UK, then get FFT without the lig cut. It seems strange that Mr Viel still uses this incision if the healing is so poor. I am finding it difficult to find legit surgeons with a good rep, abroad that do lig cut and FFT. But I defo want it done though. Length is about 4inchs Flaccid. Please [Log in](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/login.html?return=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuajQucGhhbGxvYm9hcmRzLmluZm8vZm9ydW0vZ2VuZXJhbC1waGFsbG9wbGFzdHktZGlzY3Vzc2lvbi1hcmNoaXZlLzU5MzA3MzMtZGF2aWQtcmFscGgtdnMtbXItdmllbC5odG1sP21hcmtkb3duPTEmc3RhcnQ9MTU=) or [Create an account](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/register.html) to join the conversation. ## Re: David Ralph vs Mr Viel 14 years 3 weeks ago [\#1274301692](#1274301692) - **[hoddle10](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile")** - [![hoddle10's Avatar](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/core/svg/person.svg)](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html "View hoddle10's Profile") - [ Offline](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/forum/user/1704891-hoddle10.html) - Moderator - ![Moderator](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/media/kunena/ranks/rankmod.gif) - Posts: 3120 - Thanks: 50 - [ ](https://www.j4.phalloboards.info/pms.html?task=new&recip=1704891) Don't have the lig cut with Viel, as he uses the Y/V incision. I'm unsure if David Ralph will do the lig cut on just anybody. He may require you to be under a certain length. Personally I wouldn't have the surgery with either of them. 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That's especially true if aren't willing to pursue PMMA (for either complication concerns or financial burden). You just have to be upfront with yourself about what could go wrong. You'll also need to be prepared to have the kind of income stability that allows for continuous life-long top offs. Some require top offs more frequently than others, and there is no way to know how you'll fare until you are actually a post-op. I can relate, especially to gentlemen like girth121, where the risks are much easier to accept given where your starting point is. That doesn't mean a 3.8 (or my pre-PMMA 3.5) can't be effective, and I believe with powerful EQ & technique, for some it can be satisfactory. But for some, the desire for Girth is a means to achieve a sense of normalcy in a society that exploits sex & image to unhealthy degrees. 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