TOPIC: the switch to 10% pmma

i was aware of the website. No detail on quality control or SSA approval for Girth enhancement. I have many questions, but as Hunkchunk mentioned, i was concerned to know if Dr.Casavantes fabricates his own solutions, titrating the %5 or diluting the %30 to %20 & %10. No reason in hiding it, our circle puts practice & theory right under the microscope, cosmetic physicians are selling a practice, and his art gallery are the patients who've had the proceedure, but we're dealing more with the likes of a cermanic art gallery that hasn't even hit the kiln yet. In chemistry you agitate, turn up the heat, introduce a catalyst to speed up a reaction. Right now i feel, its too soon to predict the result of these lower concentrations, hopefully he can enlighten me when i consult with him. Hungry minds want to be the catalyst in gaining the ins and outs of this therapy. Having a idea of expected results, safety standards, lucrative cost....

CHL

I do not know. I just can't imagine 20% plastic Balls costing the same as 10%!!! 20% is twice as many Balls in the same fluid. It cost money to mkle these tiny PMMA Balls and to make sure they are nice and round with no sharp edges....

Some one can find out the cost?

@coolhandluke--

You mentioned asking Dr C the "hard questions.". What would those be?

Not trying to offend anyone, but compared to the other options price shouldn't be the determining factor for most. The fact that this isn't Dr. Cs primary livelihood as with some doctors who won't be named is comforting for me.

I agree with Zmann.

Greetings HunkChunk,

You are absolutely right, I admire your level of perception.

I'm interested in Quality Control Reports of New Plastic (batch to batch variations in product)
-Deformation analysis (trace analysis)
-Comparative analysis of product defect/liability
-Polymer test (additive analysis)
-Newplastic failure analysis, contaminant identification rate, Infrared spectoscopy report of the polymer beads, the known temperature degradation of the polymer beads, pH testing.
-Source of quality control funding
-Is Newplastic deemed safe by the SSA (Mexico's FDA)
-any microbiology analysis (specify testing facility)
These are all textbook questions that an obessive student or analytic Chemist may ask which i'm not the latter. Questions above and beyond my paygrade as a science major or part-time RT/Chem tutor, but these questions are not obvious enough, because they would have rippled* into someones thoughts a long time ago. In 5-10 years i don't want to find out that Dr.Casavantes was injecting Pirelli's Miracle Elixir into our penis when quality control report indicated newplastic to be unsafe or unstable.

Gent's someone has to be Papabear in this discussion since i can't find any indication of the SSA's involvement or pending approval of Newplastic and Girth enhancement. I love the results that many are receiving, but I think my expensive, yet limited education can count for something here. I wish more experts had documented opinions of this product/therapy that contribute to our community. My added curiosity is i want a more sound indication from the physician's practice of if and why Dr. Casavantes is using 10% versus 20%, i want justification as a peer reviewer and potential client of his services, and no better justification for my trust could to be satified from having a 1 on 1 discussion with the physician. 1 small ego to another one may say but Enough said.

A chime from Coelho
" A warrior * is never predictable. He might dance down the street ON HIS WAY TO WORK, GAZE INTO THE EYES OF A COMPLETE STRANGER AND SPEAK OF LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT, OR DEFEND AN APPARENTLY ABSURD IDEA. WARRIORS OF THE LIGHT ALLOW THEMSELVES DAYS LIKE THESE...BUT WHEN HE REALIZES THAT HE CAN DO NO MORE, HE ABANDONS THE FIGHT, BUT NEVER BLAMES HIMSELF FOR HAVING COMMITTED A FEW UNEXPECTED ACTS OF FOLLY."

Salute friends

~Coolhandluke

@ Mikehok

Hey! Ok so basically it seems like gains are coming. I will update my thread now. Basicall on day 6 when I said the above I was still bruised and yes had no gains at all apart from the base which I thought was swollen.

I estimated the bruising would be gone by day 10 as before. But actually the day after I wrote this the bruising had all but gone. The day after my penis felt fuller not swollen just fuller and softer. So despite my better instincts and talk about waiting I measured and yes it is bigger.

I can only imagine that somehow my penis was retracting and tighter from the trauma and as I write this I remember something similar fom the FFT where a few days later after a top up there seemed to be no gain and then after ten days things had settled and relaxed and the gain appeared.

I cant think that collagen would form this quick and cause a gain in two days but my penis is certainly bigger.

Will post on my thread now.

@miracle

hahahahaha!

Mate, I don't think I have to tell you what pleasant thoughts are provoked by your avatar.

@Mustang2020
I promised I'd keep you updated, being slightly ahead of you in our respective first series. It has been 4 1/2 weeks and just now the collagen has started to kick in. Build up is noticeable in the Flaccid state. Erect it has become slightly thicker with more Girth at the top and even a slight coke bottle shape. Admittedly this is only a small difference in diameter which is somewhat less girthy at the middle of the shaft. I even wonder if this isn't something which if it persists I wouldn't want to retain, granting a shorter unit an added feature not to be found in larger mammoth wangers? lol.
I am also noticing a small irregularity on the left side, with it sort of corkscrewing. This reminds me of Wade's comment about that to Dr C during the procedure, he said "It's like a corkscrew". So that might be why they had to place my PMMA in channels which curved upwards around the shaft, slightly spiraling around it. This might be why Wade told me with confidence and certainty "You're going to be calling me soon for advice on how it develops". Is only the beginning of the process and it may even out or become less noticeable, otherwise it's only a matter of enjoying another fun trip to California?
Cheers,
HC

@mustang2020
This could be a sore subject and after spending a great deal on many things I was myself on a tight budget so I did factor this into the equation. If I could save the extra fifteen hundred dollars (approximately) for a second session I had resolved to request a first one of 20% concentrate hoping that it wouldn't need any touch up. That seemed the most economical 'bang for the buck' method of PE.
Then I arrived at the clinic and was readied for the operation. Until then most had been about formalities. Now once on the table it was about what my objectives were and how we might get there. And my earlier decision melted like ice in the sun as I realized I was messing with my one and only instrument of manhood. This isn't some 'eat all you can' for a single price meal. It was "Here's your Penis, what do you go home with?!?"
So realizing the great power that Dr C and Zobel Wade wielded I took care to listen to them carefully. After all penises is something they know a whole lot more about than I do. They see them day in day out and have done so for years. This technique and substance is also their realm, having perfected it themselves and seen many configurations and results. I resolved then and there to do the smart thing and let them decide what is the intelligent thing to do. For they had the "Intelligence" on this subject which no amount of investigation on my behalf could ever bring.
This proved the right approach in my case. First it showed that they were being empowered to exercise their profession to the best of their abilities, not being harnessed by the preconceptions of a patient who might be disoriented or even deluded. And that is exactly what they did, using their understanding of penile mechanics and PMMA integration to its fullest by overcoming step by step the unusual morphological challenges which my somewhat misshaped penis brought to the procedure. They worked very hard for what seemed like at least two hours, painstakingly devising new solutions to each problem encountered. It was hard labor and I know having worked at many jobs. Not at all a walk in the park.
So of course they are deserving of earning a proper living on this method they have helped devise and are continuously perfecting. And it didn't fail to cross my mind that with the above calculations one would pay possibly twice as much to achieve the same girth objectives when starting with 10% and then applying much larger finishing touches. But this is if things were all so simple as basic math, which I am fairly sure they are not.
First, if they wanted to make as much money as possible, they would have made their rates different from the starting gate. It isn't hard to make sure you gain as much as you can, all you need to do is spend some time crunching numbers and formulations of various injection scenarios, with at each time costs which make it expensive no matter how you go about it. Instead they offered what one might call a groundbreaking killer deal of girth per dollar. All your penis can take of highly effective 20% PMMA for one low flat rate of $1500. This isn't even being removed from their current offerings even if it is being discretely discouraged.
Why? Because all of a sudden a successful medical team turned greedy or did comparative marketing studies and found themselves underpriced? I seriously doubt this for several reasons. First I have worked with many unscrupulous people and am prepared to attest that this is not the case of Dr C and his team. Secondly were this the case they would officially rescind their former deal to stave off bargain hunters looking for a deal. Third they would be working at a number of different pricing formulas and intervention packages to attract clients more than to treat patients.
None of this is going on, so it is safe to assume that we are instead in presence of entirely different motivations. Dr C has done this procedure and it isn't easy to meet the varying demands of many patients while ensuring the utmost prudential care and making certain that there will be no permanent results which might bear criticism. Many patients come to his clinic demanding huge girth goals and seeking to have him engineer for them discount priced Beer Can shaped aesthetically 'deformed' unnatural penises. Dr C is NOT a Penis Dr Frankenstein, making it an issue to manage unrealistic expectations (worse, pressure to produce insane unreal permanent results, but for real) from the onset, something which is best dissuade by pursuing a gradual process during which patients may have time to reassess their objectives and come to realize on their own over several months that "Bigger isn't always Better" beyond any rational limits.
Making rapid huge girth gains less instantly achievable off the starting line by insisting that people begin with 10% makes sense in reducing the risk of patient psychology making us go off the deep end. All you can eat is something that can be abused, for aside from serious conditions it can be vomited, digested or otherwise recovered from. Having too thick a penis from PMMA enhancement means however only one thing: having for the rest of one's life a "monster dick". And I doubt this has anything to do with Dr C's vocation or goal to help patients with their goals of "Enhancement". For can you call it enhancement when one's body becomes disfigured by the procedure? Or does it become a form of medicalized mutilation?
Let us also consider another factor, were this procedure lacking in customers one might imagine that switching to less concentrated PMMA might bring the small existing patient base to come in more often for follow-up procedures. This means more business for the clinic and at the end more cashflow. However, this shift to lower concentration PMMA didn't come during the years of few clients one might wish to "farm" and encourage to increase their patronage, but it comes at a time where Dr C is subject to a deluge of demand he can hardly meet. Let us also remember that within his price structure the actual product is far from the only cost, even if it is the main variable one changing mechanically according to injection typology. Instead it came at a time when business is booming and time slots are getting harder and hard to schedule. This actually means in fine a reduction in the number of patients since for the same number of available time slots fewer will be treated due to more treatments per patient.
My conclusion is that Dr C has chosen to further professionalize this procedure especially given its current high visibility brought to a great extent both by his previous reliable results and also by PhalloBoard's analysis and investigation of this method in the forefront of phalloplasty. Also thanks to this success it is also possible that Dr C is using his growing credibility to at last influence patients at large to the fact that PMMA must be for ENHANCEMENT and not to produce Freak Show Girth Sea Monsters. There is very noble aspect to his profession which he does much to defend, and it is only normal that he be attached to making this procedure as fail-safe and responsible as possible.
FWIW
HC

It's true, what I know that for more dense implant ( skull bone defect) you will need higher concentration of PMMA e.g. 40-45% , that's why Dr. Nacule is developing this high concentration for skull bone defect reconstruction.
Check in this site the topic about Newplastic:-
www.facialwasting.org/buttock_wasting.htm
So if the 10% will give the same gains as 20% ---> it must mean that the end result of the 10% has to be softer (in texture) than the more denser collagen after the injection of the 20% , and of course as we know the 10% has an advantage of less chance of developing lumps.
So the gain in girth will depend mostly on the distance between the beads and how many layers (or sheets) of the beads on top of each other (in cross section of the penis) and rarely on the number of beads (of course it has some effect on the gain but less).
So if we have beads very close to each other (e.g. 30%) you will have much firmer collagen in the end result and also the chance of more lumps, ( also not to forget in 40-45% or more it will feel almost like bone), but the gain in girth in the end result of different concentration with the same volumes will be either little or no difference.
So if we have e.g. two identical penises who had been injected with same number of beads but :-
One had two sessions of 10% Newplastic 10 cc in each session = 20 cc in total ( as we know that 10% conc. i.e. 3 millions beads in 1 cc ---> 3x20 = 60 millions beads.
The other penis had only one session he was injected with 20% conc. and only 10 cc (---> 6 millions beads x 10 = 60 millions beads ).
So both had 60 millions beads but I am sure the 1st one will have more gain than the 2nd one because in the 1st one you have more layers of beads on top of each other ---> more gain in girth , so the gain in girth will depend on the distance between the 60 millions beads from each other in a giving area (so more distance more gain in girth)
Even if you inject the 1st one with 20 cc of 10% in one session instead of two sessions will also gain more than the 10 cc of 20% injected in the other penis (at the end both patients will have the same number of beads but the distances between these beads are different).

In the other hand if we inject the same volumes in the above examples with different concentrations (e.g. 10% + 20%) --> in the higher conc. sure you will have a more denser and firmer collagen but also IMO you will have some more gain (may be a little) than the lower conc.
In conclusion :- The gain will depend more on the volume and the number of the sessions (i.e. the distance between the beads) more than the concentration of the beads.
This is a Q. for the guys who had I think in the 1st session different concentration ( 10% near to the Glans, 20% in the shaft and 30% near to the base ) Was the collagen firmer or more denser near to the base than near to the Glans ??

May be, but many times it is more to do with marketing cost strategy than the cost to manufacture a product....I can see the cost being 40% less or more for different percentages....not sure, just guessing. It would be nice to know.

So far, my 10% 1st session has no to minimum irregularities...We will have to wait and compare notes in the next few weeks.

@Coolhandluke
So if I understand you right you're worried I'll start a 10% PMMA Bonanza? lol
HC

@JAM

That's good news buddy!

10% update

It works! (For me)

I gained 0.4 inches in second round and went from 6.15 to 6.55 average. First round they used 20cc 2nd round they used 16 so 20% less and actually in volume terms my second round (relative to cc used) is exactly like round one!

I had a 6.15 starting point for round two if you have a 5 Inch starting point and you get 20 cc (instead of 16cc) you will easily get 0.75

I started at 5.55 with newly injected FFT which by now would have dropped a bit. and now I have a 6.55 average Cock after two rounds of sensible amounts (doctors choice no pressure from me) 10% solution. that's a one Inch gain on an already large penis and with maybe 0.15 (guess ) shrinkage from FFT IE 1.15 gain. on a 5 Inch Cock that would be 1.25 on a 4.5 Inch Cock that would be 1.4 (roughly) all done with 10% solution!