TOPIC: UGRS-Penile enlargement surgery

Guys can you check the 1st two pictures before and after ?? In the after pic.s they show the new proximal part of the penis i.e. near to the pubic is covered with a texture of skin it looks like scrotal skin and the two penises look like they are coming from a higher point in the pubic area (higher than the scrotum) than in the before pic (the penis comes either at the same level with the scrotum or it comes at a lower level than the scrotum) .
Also in the 1st after pic. the proximal part around 1" looks brighter than the rest of the shaft . In the 2nd before pic. you can see the upper most part of the two folds of the scrotum on each side of the penis base are higher than the penis base and the area between these two folds i.e. the pubic area above the penis base is depressed but in the after pic. there is almost no more depression and part of the two folds become part of the shaft ???
Also in the profile view ( in all 3 pic.s ) the angle between the pubic area and the penis are different in the before and after pic.s in the before pictures the angle is obtuse but less than 180 degrees ( around 150) but in the after pic.s the angle is increased it becomes almost 180 degree, so the penis is almost in straight line with the pubic area in the after pic.s ???
I dont know if they are using the scrotal musculo-cutaneous flap ( like the chinese published papers I have posted in the old forum ) I might be wrong.
These are the two papers :-
(1)
Saudi Med J. 2009 Mar;30(3):418-21.
Clinical application of scrotal flap on penis lengthening.
Zhuo Q, Li S, Wu J, Wang Z, Yang D, Tao L.
Source
Department of Plastic and Aesthetic Surgery, Southwestern Hospital, Third Military Medical University, Chongqing, China.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
To investigate the clinical application of the scrotal flap on penis lengthening.

METHODS:
One hundred and fifty-two patients were operated using the scrotal flap from July 1998 to January 2008 at the Department of Plastic and Aesthetic, Surgery Southwest Hospital, Chongqing, China. The procedure consisted of designing a positive sign shaped incision 1.5cm above the root of the penis, dissect and release the superficial suspensory ligament and part of the deep suspensory ligament, then cover the elongated cavernosum with proper scrotal flap.

RESULTS:
Six-month to 5-year follow-up showed that all patients were satisfied with the good contour and function of the penis. The operation was successful.

CONCLUSION:
The method of using scrotal flap on penis lengthening has the following advantages: simple operation, reliable blood supply of the flap, one-stage operation, and satisfactory postoperative results. It is a preferable operation technique for penis lengthening.

PMID: 19271074 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


(2)

Zhonghua Zheng Xing Wai Ke Za Zhi. 2002 Jul;18(4):206-8.
[Repair of penile wounds in penis lengthening with the scrotal dartos musculocutaneous flaps].

Yeah, I've just read a reply from UGRS and I think it's pretty much made me decide not to go with them due to the condescending and rather aggressive manner it was written in.

Am I right in thinking many surgeons experienced in this field are happy to have potential customers e-mailing them for clarification of the procedure they offer?

It is isn't it hoddle. I've been trying to enquire why they're charging '3400 MORE than someone like David Ralph for a procedure that sounds almost identical, but their reply is: our surgeons are more experienced in this field - or something to that effect.

I've recieved a reply from UGRS this morning, in all honestly it was quite vague and slightly offensive but I've sent a reply back urging them to give accurate details on their procedure to see if they'll answer directly.

I assumed Jethon did his surgery in Germany. But that price is ridiculous. Erect length isn't gained via lig cutting. It's gained by wearing a stretcher post op, this is why Jethon says he wont operate on guys who have already worn a stretcher.

Hello ttar2380, I had a consultation with UGRS in Birmingham UK around 6/7 months ago. I met Dr. Christoph Jethon and had a short 10 minute appointment with him. I asked about the possibility about Erect gains and he said it's possible, but he can't guarantee anything. He was honestly quite vague on details in person too. I remember him saying "It's safe to expect a 1cm increase in length", unfortunately I can't remember if he was referring to the Erect or Flaccid state. This was around 6/7 months ago and I was pretty nervous - first time I've whipped it out infront of a man - so I can't remember most of it, but that's what stood out.

I've been e-mailing UGRS on and off for about a year now, unfortunately I don't have the older e-mail responses where I asked about Erect gains. The most recent e-mails have been about pricing and the possibility of a payment package.

However I've sent their customer support member (who has been answering my questions for the past year) an e-mail on the chances of a substantial increase (> 1+ Inch) in Erect length is possible. I'll post the reply when I recieve it.


miracle7, could you please elaborate on that post?

As I stated previously, don't bother. I'm trying to save you guys time, trouble and money. I caught this group in an outright lie. You are correct in that:
1. They are very vague about results.
2. They are rude.
3. They lied to me.
*When I caught them in the lie, they backslid and even went so far as to change their website.

Ligamentolysis generally does not do much if anything for Erect length. When combined with post operative stretching, some length gains may be seen. Typically, they are minimal .5 - 1 Inch. You need to weigh the pro's and con's before undergoing said procedure and determine for yourself whether you are willing to spend the time required to stretch (6 months or longer). Most women don't give a $hit about length. They care more about Girth. Internally, a woman can't really detect an insignificant increase in Erect length anyway. It is FRICTION on the vaginal walls and on the clitoris that women really enjoy and climax from; not being stabbed by a long "pointy-thing". IMHO

these look like very good results!! looks promising for length.

I know these guys. Don't bother.

@smartman
I noticed a while back that their rhetoric was somewhat aggressive to the tune of "you whackers think you can get as good results for free by jelquing, then screw off we wouldn't touch your damaged wankers with a ten-foot penile stretcher"... yes I am paraphrasing with a fair share of poetic licence.
It is however interesting that they mention liability issues and the fact that many people who have undertaken long term manual PE regimens may have latent injuries which expose anyone doing a procedure on them to liability: the surgeon would only trigger a pre-existing condition? FWIW
HC

I'm unsure whether you're referring to me hoddle but if I were to go through with it, it would be performed in Birmingham, which is closer to me than London. What do Ralph and Viel say about gaining Erect length with lig cutting hoddle? I think I recently read an article by Viel saying that it isn't possible, I'll try and find it.

Would you mind posting what they wrote? It's just that as I've said above they are known for being rude and a few guys have been put off by their tone. Their website even has a condescending or arrogant tone to it. In my experience British Dr's aren't that receptive to email, whilst US Dr's are more so. When I had surgery in Serbia with Miro, he'd answer all emails promptly and politely. I think it just depends on the Dr.

In this Link you have more information about UGRS, it's not good. THEY LIE !!


www.thundersplace.org/agrandamiento-del-...-una-estafa-mas.html

Why go to UGRS when Mr Viel is in London? If you just want lig cutting, then David Ralph will do it for about '2500. I really don't see the point of flying to Germany to have FFT or lig cutting, when both can be done in the UK. Mr Viel has done far more FFT than Jethon and lig cutting is relatively straight forward.

Here is an article on lig cutting done in the UK:
www.eu-acme.org/europeanurology/upload_articles/Ralph.pdf

This is from the last reply. Due to them once cancelling a consultation a couple of days beforehand (making me lose my '80 prebooked train ticket) I asked if I could get Jethons e-mail address so I could e-mail him for direct and clear information. I also mentioned that I am apart of a PE community and how we discuss surgeons, their procedures and merits. I also tried to get the clarification on whether the PL offers a substantial increase to Erect length for the final time.

No right-minded surgeon would ever conduct a 'tele-consultation' by whatever
means, unless someone was clearly at risk - or they were desperate to drum
up business. (Especially in this internet age of melting-pot theories
drummed up by non-medical groups, based on what? The number of hits?
Averages? Heresay? The most colourful website with the latest ads? "My mate
knows someone who..."? "Here, let me look at that broken leg, I read
somewhere that...")

The fact that I'm working overtime here disproves the latter, while the
former is hardly the case.

If you are cautious, surely a face-to-face conversation would provide the
most tactile and thus trustworthy source of evidence? Whatever.

I'd forgotten about your having already forked out for travel expenses ...
but I do recall saying that you need only bring your ticket along to the
next appointment to have the sum refunded in its entirity (I'm quite sure it
will be rounded up to '100 for your trouble). This state of affairs hasn't
altered.

I don't know what else I can add before I start to repeat myself ad nauseam.

Call me, make an appointment for a free and non-binding consultation to put
your mind at rest - or don't. Your future rests in your hands.

I'd have posted my full e-mail to him but most of my e-mail was answering his questions and so on, this has been an ongoing conversation for 5-6 months now.




I'll post some highlights from previous e-mails with UGRS.

This is a response from when I asked why Dr.Viel (a very experienced surgeon) would say he could not increase Erect length in an article he wrote for the daily mirror. ("..We can increase Flaccid length, but not the Erect length, for reasons I shall explain later..". I then asked why this person from UGRS I have been in contact with once said early on in our talks that the average gain in Erect length after their procedure is 2-5cms. Their reply:

As I've frequently pointed out, our procedures simply cannot be compared
with those of other clinics ... regardless of what the DM may report. As far
as we are aware, no other clinic based in the UK offers the same procedure
our surgeons do.

This was a response from when I mentioned that I had been researching the internet for other clinics that perform penile enlargement and gave an example of a procedure available in Serbia for '1950 (lig cut), this lead me to ask if their penile lengthening price is cheaper if I go to their clinic in Bulgaria. Their reply:

It's even 'cheaper' to fly to a centre claiming to offer 'the same operation
procedure' in Thailand (you even get a warm climate for an attractive
holiday thrown in) - providing you don't factor in the costs for possible
reconstructive surgery post-op and the emotional trauma this involves. We've
also 'cleaned-up' (as best we could) quite a few back-street Rotterdam jobs,
in case you might consider trying them out as well.

The costs are the same throughout our network of clinics - otherwise we'd
just be shipping patients off to the next cheapest location. We bring the
specialists to the local clinics, meaning it is the very skills of these
experts in their particular field that accounts for a large proportion of
the costs.

I think I'll leave it there now, as I don't think I'm getting anywhere with them.

They are known for being rude and talking nonsense. They do regular FFT and lig cutting. They try and make out as if they are doing something different but they aren't. And they are less experienced than the surgeons in London. Viel has been doing FFT since 1991 and I doubt Dr Jethon was even a Dr back then. I think Jethon has been doing this for around 5 years.